ARCHIVE: Berean Todd on socialism & homosexuality
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Wessex Man
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Delmar I recommend this one as a kind of Cliff notes.
Here's a good and readable article on exploitation theories.
http://orion.it.luc.edu/~dschwei/demdialectic.htm
Here's a good and readable article on exploitation theories.
http://orion.it.luc.edu/~dschwei/demdialectic.htm
Wessex Man
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Btw Billybob decided to punish me for giving you those Links Delmar,I'm in the red completely from that fascist.
CRASH
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I don't think I deserved a neg rep for that K-money. If you go back to the first few pages of the thread, you'll see that he did run off. That was back in April so he has had time to respond. Geeeezzz. Bereans search scriptures daily to see if what they are being told are true. Berean Todd should change his name to Just Todd.
Berean Todd
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Sorry but I do not desire to pursue this thread topic here. I have said all I need to say. I think that pure capitalism in the right-wing sense ignores the needs of the poor, for instance in the area of medical care. I am not a strait liberal I am split on many topics. I support the conservatives when it comes to privitising social security, anti-abortion, school vouchers, and any number of other topics.
When it comes down to it I don't think that Christians have any business whatsoever being involved in government and seeking to legislate Christian values. If you want to change the world, do it by spreading the gospel. American society is not in the crapper because we have not legislated enough morality, it's in the crapper because Christians:
1. Don't share their faith. Only 5% of Christians even invite an unchurched person to church in a given year. The numbers who actually share their faith are even less than that pathetic number.
2. Don't prepare their kids to be able to defend their faith, hence when they go off to college so many of them get challenged by atheistic profs and fall away from the faith.
The apostolic church and those who followed it NEVER sought to get involved with government, they were worried with ministry and the spread of the Gospel. The first time the church became intertwined with the government and legislating morality was in the time of Constantine ... which also ushered in a time of unparrallelled hypocrisy and corruption.
The pattern has held true throughout the history of the church. Wherever the church became closely involved with government and legislation it became exceedingly corrupt and dead. Where the church was persecuted and focussed on the Gospel and sharing their faith - it has blossomed and expanded.
I find no convincing evidence from the NT scriptures or from church history that convinces me of anything other than the fact that we have no business getting involved in governing and legislating our morals.
When it comes down to it I don't think that Christians have any business whatsoever being involved in government and seeking to legislate Christian values. If you want to change the world, do it by spreading the gospel. American society is not in the crapper because we have not legislated enough morality, it's in the crapper because Christians:
1. Don't share their faith. Only 5% of Christians even invite an unchurched person to church in a given year. The numbers who actually share their faith are even less than that pathetic number.
2. Don't prepare their kids to be able to defend their faith, hence when they go off to college so many of them get challenged by atheistic profs and fall away from the faith.
The apostolic church and those who followed it NEVER sought to get involved with government, they were worried with ministry and the spread of the Gospel. The first time the church became intertwined with the government and legislating morality was in the time of Constantine ... which also ushered in a time of unparrallelled hypocrisy and corruption.
The pattern has held true throughout the history of the church. Wherever the church became closely involved with government and legislation it became exceedingly corrupt and dead. Where the church was persecuted and focussed on the Gospel and sharing their faith - it has blossomed and expanded.
I find no convincing evidence from the NT scriptures or from church history that convinces me of anything other than the fact that we have no business getting involved in governing and legislating our morals.
Berean Todd
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CRASH said:
I have searched both the scriptures and church history, I have long since tired of debating against arogant people like yourself who look down on anyone who does not agree with them and have nothing resembling an open mind.
CRASH
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Berean Todd
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Turbo said:
I agree that the early, largely Jerusalem based church which practiced basically pure communism found that the communistic system does not really work effectively in the real world. I agree that Paul did not push this system, but do not beleive that he really advocated any particular social system.
I think that a moderate socialistic system is the best overall program in light of God's love for the world.
Of course the same hypocrisy you claim I practice is practiced by you - legistlating your morality and yet not following the more socialisticly tinted system found in the OT and NT.
The question is though ... to what degree should we as Christians be involved politically. I do not believe we should be seeking to legislate our morality, and think that we should avoid politics. Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's but our concern should be spreading the gospel not supporting the next republican turncoat.