Answering old threads thread

[ok doser]

Atheism is particularly noxious with regard to morality, because their only bases for it are personal opinion and history, which is interpreted by their personal opinion. Even their primary creation myth describes their lawless morality: survival of the fittest. That's exactly why we need to ground morality in something better than humanistic "ideals".

In my limited exposure to atheist morality, I find it is rooted in the culture in which they have been immersed all their life, ie, Western Christian culture, but modified to suit their selfish needs.
And so they will recognize the immorality of murdering an innocent black child, but they will deem it equally immoral that LEO's will kill a black girl to stop her from knifing another black girl. And if you press them on the morality of black people occupying historically native Americans' lands, you can usually get them to waffle and discount any validity to Black life in this country at all.
There is no logic to their morality. They tend to make it up as they go.
Which was why it was so much fun on the feminist group on Facebook because they were very easy to run circles around using logic and reason. Logic and reason are anathema to them.

 

[Derf]

Maybe to you but not in the modern sense of the word. You have to specify chastity otherwise what lots of otherwise monogamous husbands do is consume pornography and self-gratify, which is not chaste.

It's not really monogamous, either, unless he's only looking at pornographic images of his wife. Self-gratification is also not monogamous, if he's married.

 

[Derf]

There is no logic to their morality. They tend to make it up as they go.

Exactly! That's because they are a god unto themselves--no one, in their minds, can tell them what's right or wrong. It's all "internal moral compass", which no one is qualified to critique.

 

[Idolater]

It's not really monogamous, either, unless he's only looking at pornographic images of his wife.

OK.

Self-gratification is also not monogamous, if he's married.

That's where a lot of people, married, man or woman, can and do disagree with you. Many, many couples, both spouses, find husbands self-gratifying to be permissible, i.e. not unchaste and not contrary to monogamy or the state of being monogamous. So that's why I commented.

 

[ok doser]

He seems to be implying that unless BOTH consent to not having sex at any time then the one that wants to refrain ...

... is defrauding the other

See 1 Cor 7:5

 

[Mary Contrary 999]

A "married lech", since promiscuity is part of the definition, is also an adulterer, which Artie was ok with in some cases, as I pointed out. Lechery doesn't seem to have anything to do with sex within marriage.

If the teacher told you little Johnie's grades were negatively impacted by excessive talking in class, would you argue she was wrong because little Johnie talks only to one peer?

Sex can be excessive as in promiscuity but also in just sheer volume of focus and priority. If you cannot see this a dictionary won't help you

And I'll assume your description and imperative to be a general one, though it hardly looks like it, since lechery involves action, not argument.

Gibberish.

 

[Mary Contrary 999]

You can't provide scriptural support for this statement of yours, so let's revisit it.

I provided scriptural support. It just isn't iron clad in all denominations and had some disputed interpretions like many verses you enjoy.

What do you mean by "constancy"?

It has to do with a sincere effort to be fruitful and multiply.

And do you believe that ANY older man who is interested in maintaining a physical relationship with his wife is a "dirty old man"?

No. The dirty part is the discourteous urgency to align Bible verse with personal lust and domination.

Clete was right. A wife has control over her husband's body. The Lorena Bobbitt option comes to mind. Tread carefully

 

[ok doser]

I provided scriptural support. It just isn't iron clad in all denominations

It is apocrypha in the KJV

and had some disputed interpretions like many verses you enjoy.

Almost every translation has it as "adulterer"

The KJV has it as "adulterer"

It has to do with a sincere effort to be fruitful and multiply.

do you believe that married couples should cease physical intimacy after menopause?

Or any other situation in which the wife becomes infertile or barren?

No. The dirty part is the discourteous urgency to align Bible verse with personal lust and domination.

So the "dirty old man" in your imagination is the husband who exercises "discourteous urgency to align Bible verse with personal lust and domination"

Is this what happened to you?

Did your husband exercise "discourteous urgency to align Bible verse with personal lust and domination"?

Clete was right.

He certainly thinks so

A wife has control over her husband's body.

Just as a husband has control over a wife's body.

1Cor 7:4

Conversely, a wife does NOT have control over her own body

Just as a husband does NOT have control over his own body.

The Lorena Bobbitt option comes to mind.

A diseased mind, perhaps

and the Bobbitt marriage was NOT a Christian marriage

Tread carefully

What a bizarre thing to say. Not unexpected but still bizarre.

 

[Derf]

If the teacher told you little Johnie's grades were negatively impacted by excessive talking in class, would you argue she was wrong because little Johnie talks only to one peer?

Sex can be excessive as in promiscuity but also in just sheer volume of focus and priority. If you cannot see this a dictionary won't help you

Gibberish.

That's odd that you would call your own post gibberish, but I agree with you.

I think what you're saying with your illustration is that after a certain age, a married couple needs permission from you to have sex more than once a month. But I can't see why anyone would come to that conclusion.

And why are people so averse to looking up a word in the dictionary, or looking a topic up in the Bible? Prove me wrong--I might learn something. But just firing off another rendition of your opinion is a waste of time for both of us.
Proverbs 9:8-9 (KJV) 8 Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee. 9 Give [instruction] to a wise [man], and he will be yet wiser: teach a just [man], and he will increase in learning.

 

[Mary Contrary 999]

It is apocrypha in the KJV

Almost every translation has it as "adulterer"

The KJV has it as "adulterer"

do you believe that married couples should cease physical intimacy after menopause?

Or any other situation in which the wife becomes infertile or barren?

So the "dirty old man" in your imagination is the husband who exercises "discourteous urgency to align Bible verse with personal lust and domination"

Is this what happened to you?

Did your husband exercise "discourteous urgency to align Bible verse with personal lust and domination"?

He certainly thinks so

Just as a husband has control over a wife's body.

1Cor 7:4

Conversely, a wife does NOT have control over her own body

Just as a husband does NOT have control over his own body.

A diseased mind, perhaps

and the Bobbitt marriage was NOT a Christian marriage

What a bizarre thing to say. Not unexpected but still bizarre.

Whatever you say, Koban. One day you'll grow a pair and admit your longstanding opinion is flawed and self-serving

 

[ok doser]

Whatever you say, Koban.

One day you'll grow a pair

Already got them thanks

and admit your longstanding opinion is flawed and self-serving

Which long-standing opinion would that be?

 

[Mary Contrary 999]

Already got them thanks

Use em or lose em.

Which long-standing opinion would that be?

That you are an authority on anything.

 

[ok doser]

Use em or lose em.

Already did
Got two wonderful boys

That you are an authority on anything.

I'm an authority on making two wonderful boys at least.

 

[Derf]

Already did
Got two wonderful boys

I'm an authority on making two wonderful boys at least.

Just don't use 'em too much without getting Mary's permission.

 

[ok doser]

Just don't use 'em too much without getting Mary's permission.

Mary's pretty weird, isn't she?

Can't remember the last time somebody called me koban

 

[Derf]

Mary's pretty weird, isn't she?

Can't remember the last time somebody called me koban

What does koban mean?

 

[ok doser]

What does koban mean?

I've been here for 18 years or so, had several names over that time period. Koban was one of the longest way back when, burned that, when I came back I used Resurrected, burned that, when I came back I used Some Other Dude (aka SOD), burned that, when I came back I used an amalgam of Resodko, burned that, when I came back I flipped it to what it is now.

There are very few people here who remember me from my Koban days, obviously "Mary" is one of them. I wonder what her name was back in the day.

 

[Stripe]

There are very few people here who remember me from my Koban days.

 

[Mary Contrary 999]

I think what you're saying with your illustration is that after a certain age, a married couple needs permission from you to have sex more than once a month.

Maybe thinking isn't your forte. A couple is free to compromise on their intimate life. That's the point, nimnal. If your wife wants to take one for the team every other night to chase a biased notion you cooked up, then God bless her.

 

[Derf]

Maybe thinking isn't your forte. A couple is free to compromise on their intimate life. That's the point, nimnal. If your wife wants to take one for the team every other night to chase a biased notion you cooked up, then God bless her.

Maybe intimacy isn't your forte.