Anaesthesia for Unborn Babies Prior to Late Term Abortion

Nathon Detroit

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SAINT PAUL, July 19, 2005 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty, last Thursday, signed a bill that will require doctors to tell women seeking abortion after 20 weeks gestation that fetuses might feel pain during the procedure and offer them the option of fetal anaesthesia. The "Unborn Child Pain Prevention Act," was supported by the group, Minnesota Citizens Concerned for Life, (MCCL) an affiliate of National Right to Life.

MCCL's Laura Gese, told LifeSiteNews.com that the passage of the legislation was being seen as a victory by pro-lifers there. "It's a compassionate bill, wherein, if we have decided that the child has to die, at least he won't suffer horribly from a brutal death."

The bill was not directly opposed by the National Abortion Rights Action League, since fetal pain is considered a side issue. Most Minnesota abortions are committed in the first twelve weeks of pregnancy and so the law does not affect them. Medical association opposition was dropped when the bill's language was changed to preclude felony charges for doctors who failed to comply.

The real value of the legislation is in the message it sends to those engaged in the debate. Gese said that MCCL hopes the bill will have an effect similar to the partial birth abortion bans in raising the awareness in the public of the humanity of the unborn child. Gese said, "It strengthens the Woman's Right to Know bill," that required women be given accurate information about abortion and fetal development before abortion.

"It also brings to light the humanity of the unborn child and opens the discussion. It helps people to understand that this is a human being that we are talking about."

Jim Hughes, National President of Canada's pro-life lobby, Campaign Life Coalition, echoed this when he told LifeSiteNews.com, "If there's anything positive it is to show that there is a human being present that does feel pain. And people who haven't entered the debate yet will come into the discussion and be shown the humanity of the unborn."

"By the same token," said Hughes, "it's certainly not a victory. It's definitely an admission that these things are going to go on anyway and we can't stop them yet. It's a very, very small step forward, but it might cause some younger people to give the issue a second look, and in the end, gain their support for the life of the child."


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These "pro-lifers" say this bill is a "step forward", what say ye?
 

Jefferson

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Knight, why did you begin the title of this thread with a :down: ?
 

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They got it half right: at least they're informing women of fetal pain.

Hopefully that's enough discouragement but I tend to doubt it...
 

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Knight said:
Do you think pro-lifers should be pushing for such legistation?
I see your point. The legislation ends with the words, "and then you can kill the baby." Bad law.

I do like their message though. They spread the truth that the unborn feel pain. It humanizes the unborn to those who think the unborn are not human.
 

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Knight said:
MCCL's Laura Gese, told LifeSiteNews.com that the passage of the legislation was being seen as a victory by pro-lifers there. "It's a compassionate bill, wherein, if we have decided that the child has to die, at least he won't suffer horribly from a brutal death."

A victory? What victory? A compasionate bill? What's next? If a person is on trial for murder, I guess he'll get extra points for being compasionate to his victim if he found a way not to be so brutal about it. :hammer:

And what a horrible thing to say from a pro-lifer! "Well, if the child has to die it won't be in pain." What an idiot. She should have argued that if we have come to a point where pro-lifers and pro-aborts alike, see the need to keep the baby from feeling the pain of an awful ordeal, it should be that much clearer that what is being done is murder. Yet instead of being outraged, we're backing up (pro-lifers), calling this a victory! This isn't a "step ahead", it's a setback. If we are ok with it, having such a passive attitude, what does that say to the pro-murderers and how much more passive will they become?

Good grief!! Why can't people stop and think about what they're saying!! :doh:
 

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Yikes! This is definitely an example of a wolf in sheep's clothing. Seems some people are content as long as the wolf stays within the sheep's clothing. I can't believe how easily some of these so called "pro-lifers" compromise! :madmad:
 

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Do Pro-Lifers see this as a victory, a compromise, or a defeat?

It seems like an odd compromise - that if abortion is going to continue, at least we will offer those being aborted some drugs.

It seems like a defeat.
On the other hand, is the intention to make people aware of the pain of those aborted, and make people think twice?
 

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beanieboy said:
Do Pro-Lifers see this as a victory, a compromise, or a defeat?

It seems like an odd compromise - that if abortion is going to continue, at least we will offer those being aborted some drugs.

It seems like a defeat.
On the other hand, is the intention to make people aware of the pain of those aborted, and make people think twice?

Seems like a defeat. Furthest thing from victory. This is like asking a rapist to be polite.
 

docrob57

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beanieboy said:
Do Pro-Lifers see this as a victory, a compromise, or a defeat?

It seems like an odd compromise - that if abortion is going to continue, at least we will offer those being aborted some drugs.

It seems like a defeat.
On the other hand, is the intention to make people aware of the pain of those aborted, and make people think twice?

It is a defeat. They are more than anything helping to soothe the conscience of mothers planning to murder their children.
 

Emo

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Oh! Wow! I really have no idea what to say other than.....

Abortion with anaesthesia is still murder. It's like a split highway that leads to the same destination.
 

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Something else...

From the sounds of it some pro-lifers are rolling over on this issue and turning abortion into mercy killing: as long as you don't feel anything, get seared alive, chopped and scraped, or shock-vac'd from the womb can't be all that bad. I can see where this "alternative" becomes a middle ground for a) Republicans sick to death of abortion even though they are nominally pro-life, or b) moderates who want to tread middle ground and not offend.

Hope I'm wrong.
 
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