America's fall from grace is "historic"

marke

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As America continues down the wide road to hell away from God she is experiencing new developments never before seen in her formerly great history:

The first openly gay federal judge (Deborah Batts, dead at 72.)
The first black anti-American Constitution, pro-Sharia supremacy Muslim in Congress, Keith Ellison
The first black woman appointed to SCOTUS purely on the basis of skin color and sex, Ketanji Jackson
The first transgender general in the military, Rachel Devine.
The first convicted murderer elected to public office while still in prison, Joel Caston
The first adultress black mistress of a radical communist Black Panther Party mayor elected to serve as VP of the US, Kamala Brown

And so forth. America is losing its greatness because America is running away from God.
 

musterion

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You're misled. I used to believe as you do.

This is a Gentile nation, as inherently pagan as any other. Always has been. The only real difference is that it fought for its own freedom from the crown, was influenced early on by Enlightenment thinkers, became an economic powerhouse unlike anything in history, AND had a veneer of Christianized Judaism slathered over the top from its colonial beginnings.

All of that combined has been, and still is, mistakenly assumed to be proof of the blessing and direction of God Himself from the nation's founding. But it never was. America hasn't "turned from God," it was never really His.

Only one nation ever was and it isn't now either.
 

marke

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You're misled. I used to believe as you do.

This is a Gentile nation, as inherently pagan as any other. Always has been. The only real difference is that it fought for its own freedom from the crown, was influenced early on by Enlightenment thinkers, became an economic powerhouse unlike anything in history, AND had a veneer of Christianized Judaism slathered over the top from its colonial beginnings.

All of that combined has been, and still is, mistakenly assumed to be proof of the blessing and direction of God Himself from the nation's founding. But it never was. America hasn't "turned from God," it was never really His.

Only one nation ever was and it isn't now either.
In order for a nation to forget God all they have to do is turn away from God from facing God to begin with. America is forgetting God and God said all nations that forget God will be turned into hell.
 

musterion

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In order for a nation to forget God all they have to do is turn away from God from facing God to begin with. America is forgetting God and God said all nations that forget God will be turned into hell.

What is key, which you never noticed or forgot, is that He wrote off literally everyone at the Babel incident...but then chose to form from nothing one special nation of His own, in order to bring forth the Savior. That's the one and only time God ever had a special, Most Valued People that He esteemed and regarded above all others. And even they are now counted as no better than the Gentile dogs they despised.

But you know what I find most annoying about this topic?

People insist that America is, or was, a Christian nation. For that to be true, a few factors have to have been in place--the most important of which would be the true Gospel of the grace of God preached from the beginning up to today.

Guess what: it never has been, at least not widely. Barely at all, in fact. Many consider it heresy, as Paul foretold they would.

I never realized that simple fact until others helped me to see the revelation of the mystery.
 

marke

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What is key, which you never noticed or forgot, is that He wrote off literally everyone at the Babel incident...but then chose to form from nothing one special nation of His own, in order to bring forth the Savior. That's the one and only time God ever had a special, Most Valued People that He esteemed and regarded above all others. And even they are now counted as no better than the Gentile dogs they despised.

But you know what I find most annoying about this topic?

People insist that America is, or was, a Christian nation. For that to be true, a few factors have to have been in place--the most important of which would be the true Gospel of the grace of God preached from the beginning up to today.

Guess what: it never has been, at least not widely. Barely at all, in fact. Many consider it heresy, as Paul foretold they would.

I never realized that simple fact until others helped me to see the revelation of the mystery.
Christians have been a major influence in America since its beginning, even though the nation may have not been dominated by Christian influence. That is not true about communist or heathen nations where Christianity is banned. However, the laws against homosexuality, sexual immorality, government oppression, and the like which were inspired by Christian influence are now being disannulled or replaced by leftists who despise those laws and Christian morals and values.
 

Right Divider

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You're misled. I used to believe as you do.

This is a Gentile nation, as inherently pagan as any other. Always has been. The only real difference is that it fought for its own freedom from the crown, was influenced early on by Enlightenment thinkers, became an economic powerhouse unlike anything in history, AND had a veneer of Christianized Judaism slathered over the top from its colonial beginnings.

All of that combined has been, and still is, mistakenly assumed to be proof of the blessing and direction of God Himself from the nation's founding. But it never was. America hasn't "turned from God," it was never really His.

Only one nation ever was and it isn't now either.
I would agree with everything expect "became an economic powerhouse unlike anything in history".

The kingdom of Israel was the greatest economic powerhouse in all of history... during Solomon's time.
 

musterion

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I would agree with everything expect "became an economic powerhouse unlike anything in history".

The kingdom of Israel was the greatest economic powerhouse in all of history... during Solomon's time.

True, but limiting it to Gentile nations...
 

Jefferson

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I would agree with everything expect "became an economic powerhouse unlike anything in history".

The kingdom of Israel was the greatest economic powerhouse in all of history... during Solomon's time.
As far as a percentage of the world's wealth, that’s true. But as far as wealth itself? King Solomon lived in poverty compared to the average "poor" American today who has cable TV (with remote control), air conditioning, hot and cold running water, indoor plumbing, modern dentistry (think Novocaine), a smart phone with internet access, an automobile, and access to international travel via flight. Most of those things Solomon could not even conceive of.

Every time I'm tempted to complain about something, I just remind myself that I've got it better than King Solomon.
 
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Right Divider

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As far as a percentage of the world's wealth, that’s true. But as far as wealth itself? King Solomon lived in poverty compared to the average "poor" American today who has cable TV (with remote control), air conditioning, hot and cold running water, indoor plumbing, modern dentistry (think Novocaine), a smart phone with internet access, an automobile, and access to international travel via flight. Most of those things Solomon could not even conceive of.

Every time I'm tempted to complain about something, I just remind myself that I've got it better than King Solomon.
I wasn't talking about the level of technological advancement. That changes all of the time.

We are currently at a very high level of technological advancement and are YET 30 TRILLIONS dollars in debt.
 

marke

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We have the fattest poor people in history.
And we have the healthiest number of handicapped parking space drivers in the world also. Furthermore, we have some of the richest welfare recipients in the world. No wonder illegals are pouring into the US like water over Niagara Falls, after hearing about the riches to be harvested from US welfare giveaways.

Socialism and Marxism work well for lazy and irresponsible poor dependents in a heavily indebted 'rich' nation but not so well for the hard working saps being fleeced of hefty portions of their incomes to foot the bill for government dependents.
 

ok doser

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I wasn't talking about the level of technological advancement. That changes all of the time.

We are currently at a very high level of technological advancement and are YET 30 TRILLIONS dollars in debt.
Government Debt to GDP in the United States is expected to reach 138.10 percent of GDP by the end of 2022.

Heck we have a long way to go to reach the level of debt found in that paragon of financial prudence, Greece!


Government Debt to GDP in Greece is expected to reach 201.50 percent of GDP by the end of 2022
 

annabenedetti

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As America continues down the wide road to hell away from God she is experiencing new developments never before seen in her formerly great history:

The first openly gay federal judge (Deborah Batts, dead at 72.)
The first black anti-American Constitution, pro-Sharia supremacy Muslim in Congress, Keith Ellison
The first black woman appointed to SCOTUS purely on the basis of skin color and sex, Ketanji Jackson
The first transgender general in the military, Rachel Devine.
The first convicted murderer elected to public office while still in prison, Joel Caston
The first adultress black mistress of a radical communist Black Panther Party mayor elected to serve as VP of the US, Kamala Brown

And so forth. America is losing its greatness because America is running away from God.
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marke

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America. We love it as it was founded on Christian principles. Those who don't like God Bless American patriotic reverence for God and country can leave. We don't want the disgruntled leftist Marxists trying to change America to satisfy the barbarian enemies if God.
 

annabenedetti

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America. We love it as it was founded on Christian principles. Those who don't like God Bless American patriotic reverence for God and country can leave. We don't want the disgruntled leftist Marxists trying to change America to satisfy the barbarian enemies if God.

Those who don't like Black Supreme Court justices, gays, and trans having the same rights as everyone else can leave.

And so forth.
 

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No wonder illegals are pouring into the US like water over Niagara Falls, after hearing about the riches to be harvested from US welfare giveaways.
Actually, most immigrants are hard-working people who do jobs that employers would be otherwise hard-pressed to fill.

Did you enjoy those strawberries you ate with dessert? Guess who picked them.
 

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The Left taught us that silence is violence.

Okay. Time to play by their rules.

If they don't explicitly denounce child grooming and child rape, they are implicitly for it.

Not being snarky. I'm dead serious. Silence is not possible. Speak out against child rape or you're okay with child rape.
It's kind of hard for someone to reply to someone else's post when someone has someone else on their "ignore" list and can't even see someone else's post to begin with.
 
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