If you are not a Christian, you will not believe any of those.
About who does Isaiah 53 speak?
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If you are not a Christian, you will not believe any of those.
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Nope. God has a SON.
Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell? Proverbs 30:4
After the destruction of the Holy Temple, those Jews that rejected ("cut-off") Messiah had to come up with a multitude of excuses. One excuse was to falsely claim that Isaiah 53 was about "Israel".
The Essenes were not fooled by your foolishness, they knew that The Son of God, Messiah, came in the flesh according to Daniel 9, and they BELIEVED on Him and his perfect Passover Sacrifice for SIN. Abraham knew full-well this fact in Ha-Aqedah.
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I know the name of the son of God. This is God Himself speaking: "And you shall say to Pharaoh, ‘Thus says the Lord, Israel is my first-born son, 23 and I say to you, “Let my son go that he may serve me”; if you refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay your first-born son.’” Ex 4:22
Daniel 9 says nowhere that God would come in the flesh. That concept is nowhere to be found in the Tanach.
And JC simply does not fit in Daniel 9, as I have shown here: https://tinyurl.com/Daniel-9
Who is "Messiah the Prince" in Daniel 9:25, who would be cut off, but not for Himself?
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Another mistranslation is: "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:" It doesn't say: "but not for himself", it says: "he will have nothing". But "not for himself" fits so nice with the Christian theology; JC dying for the whole world, not for himself. The only problem is: It isn't written there.
"And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off," King James
"And after the sixty-two weeks an anointed one shall be cut off," RSV.
The KJV leaves out the word 'an'. In Hebrew this word is never written, there is only an equivalent for 'the'. When that Hebrew word that denotes definiteness is not written before a word, the word 'an' or 'a' is automatically implied. By leaving out this word 'an' the KJV implies that the word 'Messiah' is definite, like 'the Messiah", but also this is wrong; 'a messiah' is a better translation than just 'messiah'.
This speaks about king Agrippas, the last Jewish king at the end of the second Temple period.
"and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary" This speaks about the Roman Titus, who ordered the destruction of the second Temple.
But you could have read all that here: https://tinyurl.com/Daniel-9
“Know therefore and understand, That from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem Until Messiah the Prince, There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; The street shall be built again, and the wall, Even in troublesome times.“And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined. - Daniel 9:25-26 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel9:25-26&version=NKJV
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The NKJV does not contain that word.
In what way was Herod Agrippa I a "messiah"?
I'm no expert on end-times prophecy, but from what I've learned, Jesus' birth, life, death, and resurrection lines up perfectly with Daniel 9, and so do the events preceding Acts 9.
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I was saying that messiah the prince must come after the seven weeks, and not after 69 weeks.
The word "messiah" means "anointed one", somebody who is anointed with oil. Jewish kings and high priests were by there inauguration anointed with oil. Agrippas was a Jewish king, so he was a messiah.
Your messiah was never anointed, and he was never a king, so he wasn't a messiah.
He doesn't line up at all. First he didn't come after the seven weeks, second he died 35 years = 5 weeks to early to fit in the prophecy.
What are the seventy weeks of Daniel? | GotQuestions.org
What are the seventy (70) weeks of Daniel? Do the seventy weeks represent 490 years in God’s program? How are the seventy weeks divided?
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Thank you.
He wasn't?
Scripture shows that He was annointed at least twice, if not three times:
How Many Times Was Jesus Anointed?
One supposed Bible contradiction is that the Gospel accounts seem to indicate that Jesus was anointed before and after the Triumphal Entry.
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Are you sure?
Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men from the East came to Jerusalem,saying, “Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the East and have come to worship Him.” - Matthew 2:1-2 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew2:1-2&version=NKJV
Immediately, in the morning, the chief priests held a consultation with the elders and scribes and the whole council; and they bound Jesus, led Him away, and delivered Him to Pilate.Then Pilate asked Him, “Are You the King of the Jews?” He answered and said to him, “It is as you say.”And the chief priests accused Him of many things, but He answered nothing.Then Pilate asked Him again, saying, “Do You answer nothing? See how many things they testify against You!”But Jesus still answered nothing, so that Pilate marveled. - Mark 15:1-5 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark15:1-5&version=NKJV
Wrong.
Yes, He does.
A "week" in this context is a 7 year period.
Jesus' ministry began at the beginning of the 70th week. 3.5 years in, He was crucified. 1 year later, Israel rejected Him as their Messiah (as you have done), and was cut off, and the entire prophecy clock was paused.
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What are the seventy weeks of Daniel? | GotQuestions.org
What are the seventy (70) weeks of Daniel? Do the seventy weeks represent 490 years in God’s program? How are the seventy weeks divided?www.gotquestions.org
Thank you.
He wasn't?
Scripture shows that He was annointed at least twice, if not three times:
How Many Times Was Jesus Anointed?
One supposed Bible contradiction is that the Gospel accounts seem to indicate that Jesus was anointed before and after the Triumphal Entry.
Are you sure?
Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men from the East came to Jerusalem,saying, “Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the East and have come to worship Him.” - Matthew 2:1-2 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew2:1-2&version=NKJV
Immediately, in the morning, the chief priests held a consultation with the elders and scribes and the whole council; and they bound Jesus, led Him away, and delivered Him to Pilate.Then Pilate asked Him, “Are You the King of the Jews?” He answered and said to him, “It is as you say.”And the chief priests accused Him of many things, but He answered nothing.Then Pilate asked Him again, saying, “Do You answer nothing? See how many things they testify against You!”But Jesus still answered nothing, so that Pilate marveled. - Mark 15:1-5 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark15:1-5&version=NKJV
Wrong.
Yes, He does.
A "week" in this context is a 7 year period.
Jesus' ministry began at the beginning of the 70th week. 3.5 years in, He was crucified. 1 year later, Israel rejected Him as their Messiah (as you have done), and was cut off, and the entire prophecy clock was paused.
Bs"d
This is the Isaiah 7 thread. When you post this in the Daniel 9 thread we can continue there.
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