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Silly, silly opinions with no basis in fact.
I've shown you scripture that validates what I've said. You've continued to barf your anti-Christian opinions on a Christian forum.
You believe in mythology and not God.
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A stupidity of Darwinism: "There was never a time when there were only two humans!"
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I've shown you scripture that validates what I've said. You've continued to barf your anti-Christian opinions on a Christian forum.
You believe in mythology and not God.
Jesus was smarter than you make Him out to be.
Jesus is God incarnate.
He is God the Son.
Because you say so?
Because, as far as I can tell, Jesus spoke with God's authority.
Especially in that, where the Old Testament uses "Thus saith the Lord," Jesus in the New Testament said, "I say unto you." Not once is either phrase found in the other Testament.
Also, truth is non-contradictory. The following statements from your post which I am quoting here contradict each other:
"[Jesus] is a revelation of the Father
"Jesus didn’t act like the God of the OT scriptures"
If Jesus is a revelation of the Father, but He didn't act like the Father, then He wouldn't be a representation of the Father, let alone a good one.
Jesus said He and His Father are one.
Jesus said that He says the things His Father says.
That goes against your claims.
And what about the men who supposedly created God is reflected in the image of God?
Hmm?
Because the Bible says that God created man in HIS image and likeness, not the other way around. And because of that, any attributes that God has are reflected in man, not the other way around.
Jesus taught the law of the Old Testament. It was nothing new.
Now, PAUL on the other hand...
Jesus was our Creator Son incarnate, not the Universal Father. The Sons are made in the image of the Father.
The God revealed in the Life of Jesus wasn't the blood thirsty erratic monster God portrayed by the Israelites. While the Israelites may well have committed the atrocities blamed on God. If ISIS were writing scripture today it would sound a lot like some of the places in the OT where God supposedly said go do thus and so.....kill all the war captives civilian's but keep the little virgin girls for yourselves. Common human behavior for that age, not directed by God!
Humans blunder when they assume that God acts and behaves as savage humans do.
Created in his image and likeness means that we have within us the "pure spirit" of the Universal Father as does the Paradise Trinity.
Jesus taught The Gospel of The Kingdom of Heaven for 3+ years before being apprehended by the Jews who were offended by his Liberal teachings.
Jesus is THE Creator.
No trinitarian claims that Jesus, who is God the Son, is God the Father. Why do you use such a straw man?
Stolen concept fallacy.
Man is made in God's image.
Yes, Adam was a son of God, in the sense that he was made by God.
However, Jesus is THE Son of God. He comes forth from the Father, but is still the eternal God.
The way that "son (little 's') of God" is used is an analogy of the Son, Jesus, who is the Son of God the Father, yet is still God, the difference being, and where the analogy breaks down, is that a "son of God" is not God.
The "sons of God" in Job 38:7 are described as being present at the time of the laying of Earth's foundations, ie, when God created everything on the earth except the crust (which occurred on days 2 and 3 in Genesis 1) and the ocean (Genesis 1:2). Since God made man on day 6, Job 38:7 logically cannot be referring to man, but to angels, since those are the only other creatures that God created that could possibly live without the earth (no, aliens don't exist.)
Oh that's cute. You think God appears bloodthirsty in the Old Testament? Try reading Revelation, which hasn't happened yet.
But God is NOT "bloodthirsty," as you put it.
He is just. He is righteous. He is merciful.
I DARE YOU to cite a passage where you think God is portrayed as "bloodthirsty," and try to explain how He is by using nothing but the scriptures. In order to show how my position does not portray God accurately, you need to show it using my position (not yours).
If the Creator of the universe wants to use a nation to destroy another nation that is unjust, who are you to call it an atrocity?
Does not the Creator have a right to do with His creation as He sees fit?
Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? - Romans 9:21 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans9:21&version=NKJV
ISIS has nothing to do with this.
See above.
Please cite the scriptures where God said to do so.
Caino blunders when he assumes that God is unjust when he commands men to do His will.
False.
Created in the image and likeness of God means that we are physically similar in appearance to the image that God created for His Son on day 6 for Him to indwell, and then used to fashion man into when He formed man from the dust of the ground, and that we, being in His likeness, are morally capable creatures, and have some of the characteristics of God.
No such thing in scripture, whatever that is.
I'll make it easy for you. Jesus' ministry lasted about three years.
The number three is everywhere in scripture.
They were offended because He blinded them (since they had hardened their hearts to God) from seeing the Truth of who He is, for the purpose of accomplishing His will from the foundation of the earth.
His teachings were completely in line with the scriptures. "Liberal," they were not.
Numbers 31:17-18
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17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
* God blinded the Jews....but then punished them for not listening! That's rich! That's why you are a false prophet and easily dismissed.
* Men blunder when they rationalize their own wicked hearts by claiming God told them to go slaughter people.
Just a few examples of the blood thirsty monster God portrayed by the ISIS-like, but ultimately discredited Israelites.
Note: In the Bible, words having to do with killing significantly outnumber words having to do with love.
GE 3:1-7, 22-24 God allows Adam and Eve to be deceived by the Serpent (the craftiest of all of God's wild creatures). They eat of the "Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil," thereby incurring death for themselves and all of mankind for ever after. God prevents them from regaining eternal life, by placing a guard around the "Tree of Eternal Life." (Note: God could have done the same for the "Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil" in the first place and would thereby have prevented the Fall of man, the necessity for Salvation, the Crucifixion of Jesus, etc.)
GE 4:2-8 God's arbitrary preference of Abel's offering to that of Cain's provokes Cain to commit the first biblically recorded murder and kill his brother Abel.
GE 34:13-29 The Israelites kill Hamor, his son, and all the men of their village, taking as plunder their wealth, cattle, wives and children.
GE 6:11-17, 7:11-24 God is unhappy with the wickedness of man and decides to do something about it. He kills every living thing on the face of the earth other than Noah's family and thereby makes himself the greatest mass murderer in history.
GE 19:26 God personally sees to it that Lot's wife is turned to a pillar of salt (for having looked behind her while fleeing the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah).
GE 38:9 "... whenever he lay with his brother's wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked ..., so the Lord put him to death."
EX 2:12 Moses murders an Egyptian.
EX 7:1, 14, 9:14-16, 10:1-2, 11:7 The purpose of the devastation that God brings to the Egyptians is as follows:
to show that he is Lord;
to show that there is none like him in all the earth;
to show his great power;
to cause his name to be declared throughout the earth;
to give the Israelites something to talk about with their children;
to show that he makes a distinction between Israel and Egypt.
EX 9:22-25 A plague of hail from the Lord strikes down everything in the fields of Egypt both man and beast except in Goshen where the Israelites reside.
EX 12:29 The Lord kills all the first-born in the land of Egypt.
EX 17:13 With the Lord's approval, Joshua mows down Amalek and his people.
EX 21:20-21 With the Lord's approval, a slave may be beaten to death with no punishment for the perpetrator as long as the slave doesn't die too quickly.
EX 32:27 "Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor.
EX 32:27-29 With the Lord's approval, the Israelites slay 3000 men.
LE 26:7-8 The Lord promises the Israelites that, if they are obedient, their enemies will "fall before your sword."
LE 26:22 "I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children."
LE 26:29, DT 28:53, JE 19:9, EZ 5:8-10 As a punishment, the Lord will cause people to eat the flesh of their own sons and daughters and fathers and friends.
LE 27:29 Human sacrifice is condoned. (Note: An example is given in JG 11:30-39)
NU 11:33 The Lord smites the people with a great plague.
NU 12:1-10 God makes Miriam a leper for seven days because she and Aaron had spoken against Moses.
NU 15:32-36 A Sabbath breaker (who had gathered sticks for a fire) is stoned to death at the Lord's command.
NU 16:27-33 The Lord causes the earth to open and swallow up the men and their households (including wives and children) because the men had been rebellious.
NU 16:35 A fire from the Lord consumes 250 men.
NU 16:49 A plague from the Lord kills 14,700 people.
NU 21:3 The Israelites utterly destroy the Canaanites.
NU 21:6 Fiery serpents, sent by the Lord, kill many Israelites.
NU 21:35 With the Lord's approval, the Israelites slay Og "... and his sons and all his people, until there was not one survivor left ...."
NU 25:4 (KJV) "And the Lord said unto Moses, take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the Lord against the sun ...."
NU 25:8 "He went after the man of Israel into the tent, and thrust both of them through, the man of Israel, and the woman through her belly."
NU 25:9 24,000 people die in a plague from the Lord.
NU 31:9 The Israelites capture Midianite women and children.
NU 31:17-18 Moses, following the Lord's command, orders the Israelites to kill all the Midianite male children and "... every woman who has known man ...." (Note: How would it be determined which women had known men? One can only speculate.)
NU 31:31-40 32,000 virgins are taken by the Israelites as booty. Thirty-two are set aside (to be sacrificed?) as a tribute for the Lord.
DT 2:33-34 The Israelites utterly destroy the men, women, and children of Sihon.
DT 3:6 The Israelites utterly destroy the men, women, and children of Og.
DT 7:2 The Lord commands the Israelites to "utterly destroy" and show "no mercy" to those whom he gives them for defeat.
DT 20:13-14 "When the Lord delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the males .... As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves."
DT 20:16 "In the cities of the nations the Lord is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes."
DT 21:10-13 With the Lord's approval, the Israelites are allowed to take "beautiful women" from the enemy camp to be their captive wives. If, after sexual relations, the husband has "no delight" in his wife, he can simply let her go.
DT 28:53 "You will eat the fruit of the womb, the flesh of the sons and daughters the Lord your God has given you."
JS 1:1-9, 18 Joshua receives the Lord's blessing for all the bloody endeavors to follow.
JS 6:21-27 With the Lord's approval, Joshua destroys the city of Jericho--men, women, and children--with the edge of the sword.
JS 7:19-26 Achan, his children and his cattle are stoned to death because Achan had taken a taboo thing.
JS 8:22-25 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly smites the people of Ai, killing 12,000 men and women, so that there were none who escaped.
JS 10:10-27 With the help of the Lord, Joshua utterly destroys the Gibeonites.
JS 10:28 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly destroys the people of Makkedah.
JS 10:30 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly destroys the Libnahites.
JS 10:32-33 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly destroys the people of Lachish.
JS 10:34-35 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly destroys the Eglonites.
JS 10:36-37 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly destroys the Hebronites.
JS 10:38-39 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly destroys the Debirites.
JS 10:40 (A summary statement.) "So Joshua defeated the whole land ...; he left none remaining, but destroyed all that breathed, as the Lord God of Israel commanded."
JS 11:6 The Lord orders horses to be hamstrung. (Exceedingly cruel.)
JS 11:8-15 "And the lord gave them into the hand of Israel, ...utterly destroying them; there was none left that breathed ...."
JS 11:20 "For it was the Lord's doing to harden their hearts that they should come against Israel in battle, in order that they should be utterly destroyed, and should receive no mercy but be exterminated, as the Lord commanded Moses."
JS 11:21-23 Joshua utterly destroys the Anakim.
JG 1:4 With the Lord's support, Judah defeats 10,000 Canaanites at Bezek.
JG 1:6 With the Lord's approval, Judah pursues Adoni-bezek, catches him, and cuts off his thumbs and big toes.
JG 1:8 With the Lord's approval, Judah smites Jerusalem.
JG 1:17 With the Lord's approval, Judah and Simeon utterly destroy the Canaanites who inhabited Zephath.
JG 3:29 The Israelites kill about 10,000 Moabites.
JG 3:31 (A restatement.) Shamgar killed 600 Philistines with an oxgoad.
JG 4:21 Jael takes a tent stake and hammers it through the head of Sisera, fastening it to the ground.
JG 7:19-25 The Gideons defeat the Midianites, slay their princes, cut off their heads, and bring the heads back to Gideon.
JG 8:15-21 The Gideons slaughter the men of Penuel.
JG 9:5 Abimalech murders his brothers.
JG 9:45 Abimalech and his men kill all the people in the city.
JG 9:53-54 "A woman dropped a stone on his head and cracked his skull. Hurriedly he called to his armor-bearer, 'Draw your sword and kill me, so that they can't say a woman killed me.' So his servant ran him through, and he died."
And why did God do that?
And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying:“Take vengeance on the Midianites for the children of Israel. Afterward you shall be gathered to your people.” - Numbers 31:1-2 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers31:1-2&version=NKJV
"Vengeance is mine." says the Lord.
And guess what the Israelites did?
They didn't obey God. Not even in the passage you claim wasn't actually God speaking.
Here's what happened:
Then they brought the captives, the booty, and the spoil to Moses, to Eleazar the priest, and to the congregation of the children of Israel, to the camp in the plains of Moab by the Jordan, across from Jericho.And Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the congregation, went to meet them outside the camp.But Moses was angry with the officers of the army, with the captains over thousands and captains over hundreds, who had come from the battle.And Moses said to them: “Have you kept all the women alive?Look, these women caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to trespass against the Lord in the incident of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the Lord.Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known a man intimately.But keep alive for yourselves all the young girls who have not known a man intimately.And as for you, remain outside the camp seven days; whoever has killed any person, and whoever has touched any slain, purify yourselves and your captives on the third day and on the seventh day.Purify every garment, everything made of leather, everything woven of goats’ hair, and everything made of wood.”Then Eleazar the priest said to the men of war who had gone to the battle, “This is the ordinance of the law which the Lord commanded Moses:Only the gold, the silver, the bronze, the iron, the tin, and the lead,everything that can endure fire, you shall put through the fire, and it shall be clean; and it shall be purified with the water of purification. But all that cannot endure fire you shall put through water.And you shall wash your clothes on the seventh day and be clean, and afterward you may come into the camp.” - Numbers 31:12-24 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers31:12-24&version=NKJV
So, did they make up that they disobeyed? or did God tell them to do one thing, and then they did something they shouldn't have?
Your claims don't line up with the story told in the Bible, Caino.
No, that's not what I said.
Where did I say God punished them for being blind to what he had blinded them?
I said that God blinded the ones who refused to see, deafened the ones who refused to listen, to accomplish His task, which was, at the time, dying on the Cross.
When you straw man your opponent, you reveal yourself as the fool that you are.
Supra.
And this is anti-semitism.
Racism WILL NOT be tolerated on TOL.
You said "They were offended because He blinded them (since they had hardened their hearts to God) from seeing the Truth of who He is, for the purpose of accomplishing His will from the foundation of the earth.
I'm the one who said they were punished by God even though you claim he had blinded them even though the same God who blinded them also punished them. That's rich! The Jews were blinded by pride not God.
You are the fool for having to carry the water of such a convoluted story.
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Are we far enough off-topic yet?
That I did.
Why did you say that then?
How and why were they punished by God? For what reason?
Blinding the nation of Israel so that they cannot see (especially when the blindness was only to Hide who Jesus was temporarily) does not give them an out when they refuse to obey after said task has been accomplished.
Well, no, their pride caused them to cover their own eyes, and so God used them in their rebellion against Him to accomplish His plan.
That's what the Bible says.
The Bible isn't written at the 6th grade level, Caino. The Bible is a complex story of God's chosen people. It's not as cut and dried as you like it to be.
How and why were they punished by God? For what reason?
29 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you build the tombs of the prophets and decorate the monuments of the righteous, 30 saying, ‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ 31(reason)---->Thus you witness against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers. 33 You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell? 34 Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will flog in your synagogues and persecute from town to town, 35 so that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Barachiah,[f] whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. 36 Truly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.29
The Jews were un-chosen, protections withdrawn, house left open to Titus's army and the day of Gentile vengeance!
41They said to him, “He will put those wretches to a miserable death, and let out the vineyard to other tenants who will give him the fruits in their seasons.” 16When they heard this, they said, “God forbid!”
42Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the scriptures: 'The very stone which the builders rejected has become the head of the corner; this was the Lord's doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes'? 43(how)---->Therefore I tell you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people producing the fruits of it. 44And he who falls on this stone, while he is thereby broken in pieces, will be saved; but when it falls on anyone, it will crush him.”
45When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard his parables, they perceived that he was speaking about them.a 46But when they tried to arrest him, they feared the multitudes, because they held him to be a prophet.
(Mt. 21:33–41; Lk. 20:16; Mt. 21:42–46)
“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. 38 (how)----->Look, your house is left to you desolate. 39For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’
Israel today, while very sentimental to me, is a museum to the sad rejection of their mission on earth.
29 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you build the tombs of the prophets and decorate the monuments of the righteous, 30 saying, ‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ 31(reason)---->Thus you witness against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers. 33 You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell? 34 Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will flog in your synagogues and persecute from town to town, 35 so that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Barachiah,[f] whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. 36 Truly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.29
The Jews were un-chosen, protections withdrawn, house left open to Titus's army and the day of Gentile vengeance!
20. Parable of the Absent Landlord
33“Hear another parable. There was a householder who planted a vineyard, and set a hedge around it, and dug a wine press in it, and built a tower, and let it out to tenants, and went into another country. 34When the season of fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the tenants, to get his fruit; 35and the tenants took his servants and beat one, killed another, and stoned another. 36Again he sent other servants, more than the first; and they did the same to them. 37Afterward he sent his son to them, saying, 'They will respect my son.' 38But when the tenants saw the son, they said to themselves, 'This is the heir; come, let us kill him and have his inheritance.' 39And they took him and cast him out of the vineyard, and killed him. 40When therefore the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?”41They said to him, “He will put those wretches to a miserable death, and let out the vineyard to other tenants who will give him the fruits in their seasons.” 16When they heard this, they said, “God forbid!”
42Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the scriptures: 'The very stone which the builders rejected has become the head of the corner; this was the Lord's doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes'? 43(how)---->Therefore I tell you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people producing the fruits of it. 44And he who falls on this stone, while he is thereby broken in pieces, will be saved; but when it falls on anyone, it will crush him.”
45When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard his parables, they perceived that he was speaking about them.a 46But when they tried to arrest him, they feared the multitudes, because they held him to be a prophet.
(Mt. 21:33–41; Lk. 20:16; Mt. 21:42–46)
“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. 38 (how)----->Look, your house is left to you desolate. 39For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’
Israel today, while very sentimental to me, is a museum to the sad rejection of their mission on earth.
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You've get no argument against that from JR or I.
The question is: Why do believe that scripture that you quoted?
Why don't you start a new thread instead of continuing to pollute this one?
I was answering questions that a mod was asking but I agree, we've gone way off creation/evolution.
Darwin believed aborigines were missing evolutionary links between monkeys and humans. There are few more racist and preposterous postulations than that, yet poor students of science think Darwin was a scientific genius.
Enemies of God prefer to believe life began on earth through some miraculous accident of nature science has still not found a way to explain.
That is still a problem for Darwinists. Were aborigines fully human or just a link between monkeys and humans in the evolutionary chain?
It takes a lot of faith in the miraculous to believe stars created themselves and then began disproving God. None of that crap is true.
Low intelligence wannabe scientists still think DNA invented itself and then began wisely manipulating life to form new variations of creatures based upon perceptions of fitness. That is a bunch of science fiction crap.