Re: Batman is better than Superman!
Re: Batman is better than Superman!
Originally posted by Batman
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"Paul wrote Hebrews?!"
Sorry, I got carried away in commentary. Although, I think he's the best candidate for the mystery author.
Why? Especially since there is a difference in teachings...
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"John wrote that sin is transgression of the law."
That being said, he also wrote the following in 1 John:
Chap. 1
8If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.
Chap. 2
1My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.
Chap. 4
16If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death, he should pray and God will give him life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that he should pray about that. 17All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not lead to death.
It's true that John defines sin as transgressing the law, but he also says any wrongdoing is sin and indicates that a Christian can sin.
What Bible are you reading?! 1 John 4:16-17 say no such thing!
Wait, I found it. It's in chapter 5, not 4.
"If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death."
What version did yours come from? Do you think "wrongdoing" and "unrighteousness" mean the same thing? Are you unrighteous, or has God made you righteous?
Also, you forgot to read on:
"We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness."
-1 John 5:18-19
Have you been born of God? Does Christ live in you [Galatians 2:20]?
As for your interpretation of 1 John 1, think about it:
"If we say that we have no sin [have never sinned], then we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from
unrighteousness. If we say that we have not siined, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us."
Also, 1 John 1:1-5 shows that it is written to the unbeliever.
Jesus is the advocate for sinners. His blood was shed for the forgiveness of all sin.
"And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of
the whole world.
-1 John 2:2
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"Paul writes that apart from the law there is no transgression."
Actually apart from the law there is no knowledge of sin, for Paul also says in Romans 2:
12All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, 15since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.)
Context, context, context!:doh:
The Gentiles did not have the law, as the Jews did. But they still transgressed it, because they were not in Christ. the last tow verses prove the point I have presented. And they argue against your foundation.
As for your argument that apart from the law, there is no knowledge of sin, and that what I said was wrong:
"Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is,
there is no transgression."
-Romans 4:15
And in Romans 3:
9What shall we conclude then? Are we any better[2] ? Not at all! We have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under sin.
We are under sin, if we are not under grace. For in Christ, there is no sin.
Apparently people can sin apart from the law.
Not under grace, they can't. Are you going to suffer the wages of sin? Or did Christ suffer for you, already?
"For the wages of sin
is death; but the gift of God
is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
-Romans 6:23
Also:
"(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses,
even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come."
-Romans 5:13-14
"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid.
How shall we, that are , live any longer therein?"
-Romans 6:1-2
"Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin."
-Romans 6:6-7
"For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord."
-Romans 6:10-11
"For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace."
-Romans 6:14
"But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness."
-Romans 6:17-18
"For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness."
-Romans 6:20
"But now being made , and become servants of God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life."
-Romans 6:22
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"How many times did Christ die, Batman? Does He continually die?"
I anwered that - once.
So, how many times need you confess?
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"Do you have to aks His forgivness every time you do something wrong, or is once, as long as it's sincere, enough?"
Every time. 1 John speaks for itself.
1 John 1:9? The verse that states that if you confess he will cleanse you from unrighteouness? That verse tells me that once is enough. His dying once is enough. Why wouldn't one confession be enough? Why is it not enough for someone to admit their need for Christ once? Why must they do it multiple times? Is that not like crucifying Him over and over, again?
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"Do you think you can lose your salvation?"
Yep. I've seen it happen one of two ways:
1. Going into a continual lifestyle of sin after once living for God.
So you htink that someone who actually knows God would walk away from Him?:nono:
2. An event happens in someone's life that makes him question God and eventually decide that He either doesn't exist or care.
So, someone who once knew God, intimately, on a personal level, could actually deny His existence? You believe that?!
At what specific point is salvation lost? What makes you so certain that someone who walks away from God ever knew Him in the first place? Is it not more evident that those who leave were never saved?
Would you ever leave Him? Would He ever leave you?
In either case God will do everything He can to get him back, just look at David.
You think David lost his relationship with God?!:noway::shocked:
That's sad.:nono: