ECT A bit of a theologic test

Interplanner

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One of the founders of the Frankfuret School of Transformational Marxism, Georg Lukacs, talked about "Abolishment of Culture." Lukacs knew that Christianity had created a dominant culture in the West which made the individual important and that culture saw each individual as being unique, to be honored as such.

Marxism had to get rid of that Christian - and family based - culture which made the individual outstanding, and replace it by a collectivist group oriented culture. Marxism - Transformational Marxism - had to reduce the spiritual power of the Christian Gospel in order to bring in a collectivist group-centered culture.

Lukacs probably had a better understanding of how the doctrines of Christ in the Protestantism of the 19th century created a culture which encouraged individuals and honored them more than does Catholicism.

What effect has dispensationalism had upon the emphasis of the dominant culture on honoring of the individual?

Here is a quote that is more specific about the ideas of Transformational Marxist Georg Lukács (1885-1971): http://www.schillerinstitute.org/fid_91-96/921_frankfurt.html

"Lukacs identified that any political movement capable of bringing
Bolshevism to the West would have to be, in his words, "demonic"; it
would have to "possess the religious power which is capable of filling
the entire soul; a power that characterized primitive Christianity."

They go on to say that "What differentiated the West from Russia,
Lukacs identified, was a
Judeo-Christian cultural matrix which emphasized exactly the
uniqueness and sacredness of the individual which Lukacs abjured. At
its core, the dominant Western ideology maintained that the
individual, through the exercise of his or her reason, could discern
the Divine Will in an unmediated relationship. What was worse, from
Lukacs' standpoint: this reasonable relationship necessarily implied
that the individual could and should change the physical universe in
pursuit of the Good; that Man should have dominion over Nature, as
stated in the Biblical injunction in Genesis. The problem was, that as
long as the individual had the belief—or even the hope of the
belief—that his or her divine spark of reason could solve the problems
facing society, then that society would never reach the state of
hopelessness and alienation which Lukacs recognized as the necessary
prerequisite for socialist revolution."

Does present day dispensationalism have the "the religious power which is capable of filling the entire soul" that Lukacs talked about?




for what it is worth, the life of the D'ist churches that I knew when I was young was vibrant enough, even if it had no clear connection to the complicated doctrinal thoughts. They had that kind of power. But people are not always rationally connected or connecting what they believe to what they do. I don't find any similar spiritual power hearing about Israel winning the 6 Day War. They do.

I think for some of them it is a solution to the gap which modern atheism and uniformitarianism have created in our minds between the Bible and ordinary reality (hence the 1st question about anyone mentioning prayer, church, Christ is 'are they religious?'--ie, operating in a completely different epistemological world from ordinary reality).
 

Danoh

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Sorry, Ktoyou. I have the passion to teach.

Yeah, but error?

You're better off finding first; a passion for the Scripture over your obvious decades old OVER reliance on your just as obvious ever endless books "about" based "learning."

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Rom. 5:8
 

northwye

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"for what it is worth, the life of the D'ist churches that I knew when I was young was vibrant enough, even if it had no clear connection to the complicated doctrinal thoughts. They had that kind of power. But people are not always rationally connected or connecting what they believe to what they do. I don't find any similar spiritual power hearing about Israel winning the 6 Day War. They do."

When I was about 14 to 16 I was a member of a Southern Baptist Church in Texas. That preacher did not preach dispensationalist doctrines and some of what he preached might be called Calvinism. That was before W.A. Crisswell of the First Baptist Church of Dallas led the Convention to become totally dispensationalist and kicked out non-dispensationalists from its seminaries.

Then, when I was 18 and a Freshman at Texas A and I College a group of A and I students in the Southern Baptist Congregation in Kingsville, including myself, made a trip to Dallas - a long way from down inside the King Ranch - to hear W.A Crisswell preach, a trip probably inspired by that Kingsville Baptist preacher. That preacher did not spend time talking about the doctrines of dispensationalism. I remember listening to radio preachers later who did not spend time talking about the doctrines of dispensationalism. Some of these preachers might have been thought to have an anointing. But if they did have a real spiritual power from the Spirit, it was not from dispensationalism, but from the Gospel itself.

Texas A and I College was taken over by the Texas A and M System some years ago.
 
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Nang

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for what it is worth, the life of the D'ist churches that I knew when I was young was vibrant enough, even if it had no clear connection to the complicated doctrinal thoughts. They had that kind of power."

It is the sinister power of brainwashing, IMO. All wrapped up in religious, pious packaging.
 

Interplanner

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Only you guys are brainwashed about the land. There is nothing of the sort in the NT. You can reunify those tribes in Christ without any land.

You think the letter that 'needs' the land--to make the letter true--is Hebrews, yet Hebrews says that kind of covenant is set aside/replaced, and knew the desolation of Israel (the land) was about to happen!

The new covenant is better because Christ's sacrifice is actually effective to erase sin and provide victory over death, which has to do with all people, not just one race. You are deluded to think otherwise.
 

SaulToPaul 2

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Only you guys are brainwashed about the land. There is nothing of the sort in the NT. You can reunify those tribes in Christ without any land.

You think the letter that 'needs' the land--to make the letter true--is Hebrews, yet Hebrews says that kind of covenant is set aside/replaced, and knew the desolation of Israel (the land) was about to happen!

The new covenant is better because Christ's sacrifice is actually effective to erase sin and provide victory over death, which has to do with all people, not just one race. You are deluded to think otherwise.

:chuckle:
 

SaulToPaul 2

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Only you guys are brainwashed about the land. There is nothing of the sort in the NT. You can reunify those tribes in Christ without any land.

For 22,981st time, the NT is concerned with the City and the heavens. But it does not cancel out the land promises. If you can show us the land cancellation, we will shut up.
 

Interplanner

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God found fault with the people. That is one reason why the new covenant is not with people, but with Christ. As you can see for yourself, everything that was done to effect the new covenant was done in Christ's body; thus,

a body you prepared for me...
It is written about me in the scroll
I have come to do your will, O God


Oh darn, what will we do? The only chapter you quote from Heb, the only line, is 8:8.

By the way, that line makes 8:10 incorrect because it forgot to mention both.
 

Interplanner

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D'ism, the only part of the Christian church that believes that Christ sacrificed for all, and separately for Jewish Christians, at the same UNIFIED time.
 
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