musterion
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They're still unsaved without faith. That's the part Calvinists don't like. The Bible says God expects faith from all, and condemns those who refuse. That makes TULIP a lie.
2 Corinthians 5:19
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They're still unsaved without faith. That's the part Calvinists don't like. The Bible says God expects faith from all, and condemns those who refuse. That makes TULIP a lie.
beloved57
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That's according to your false religion! If a person is reconciled to God, then they are in a right relationship with Him and in His Favour,while a unbeliever! Rom5:10!
musterion
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You call Eph 2:8 a lie.
beloved57
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No, but you don't believe or understand that scripture! You are a unbeliever!
heir
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God was in Christ, reconciling the WORLD unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them (2 Corinthians 5:19 KJV) as in:
1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1 Timothy 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
It is a due time message that the man Christ Jesus gave Himself a ransom for all and the message is to all men!
But just as the righteousness of God is unto all, it is only upon all them that believe!
Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
So, the due time message is that God will save all men no matter who they are or what they were doing while they were there: as God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them! When anyone trusts the Lord believing that Christ died for their sins and that He was buried and rose again the third day they are saved (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV). That is the gospel of Christ, where the righteousness of God is revealed (Romans 1:16-17 KJV)!
heir
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Go bug a Catholic who believes not that scripture. Grace believers clearly do, as we 2 Timothy 2:7-8 KJV.
beloved57
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Your comment was a lie ! One who is reconciled to God while being an enemy Rom 5:10 they arent condemned for unbelief ! If that was True they could not have been reconciled to God !
heir
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God reconciled the world unto Himself not imputiing their trespasses unto them (2 Corinthians 5:19 KJV) . For He (God, the father) hath made him (the Son, Jesus Christ) to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him (2 Corinthians 5:21 KJV).
Yet NO ONE has the righteousness of God UPON THEM until they BELIEVE even though it is UNTO ALL (Romans 3:21-22 KJV). Trust the Lord after hearing and BELIEVING the gospel of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV), where the righteousness of God is revealed (Romans 1:16-17 KJV) and it will be UPON you too (Romans 4:24-25 KJV)! Until then, you are just a loud, but lost religious drone (2 Corinthians 4:3-4 KJV, 2 Corinthians 13:5 KJV)!
beloved57
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Thats another lie, those Christ died for are made righteous by His One Obedience Rom 5:19
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
And those who dont have sin charged to them are righteous ! You are a false witness !
heir
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Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
beloved57
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Them verses are fine, you dont believe them or understand them !
You dont believe that Christ's one Obedience made many Righteous Rom 5:19 !
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Thats Imputed Righteousness without any obedience, faith or repentance from the sinner !
heir
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You are wrong. Christ's finished work is not put to your account unless you believe/the obedience of faith!
Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
Romans 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
Romans 16:27 To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.
heir
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Those who receive not the love of the truth (by the obedience of faith) will perish!
2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
beloved57
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Those Christ died for are received, reconciled to God, in a right relationship with Him while they are enemies Rom 5:10 ! They cannot perish neither, because no sin is charged to them 2 Cor 5:19, death is only the wage of sin Rom 6:23 ! How can anyone perish with eternal death who has no sin charged unto them ?
beloved57
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Thats you by the way, because you dont receive the Love of the Truth !:duh:
heir
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We are dead and he that is dead is freed from sin.
Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Romans 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Romans 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Romans 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Romans 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
heir
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Nope. I have believed on the Lord Jesus Christ and am saved!
Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
beloved57
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You havent believed in the Christ of scripture ! Thats absolutely impossible since you reject TULIP Truths that are representative of Gods Gospel of Grace in Christ ! Do you believe that ?
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