So then billionaires theoretically could be allowed to exist, even under your proposed system?
10 Reasons Why You Should Reject Socialism
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So then billionaires theoretically could be allowed to exist, even under your proposed system?
Theoretically, sure, but, in practice, workers would never agree to that.
I will say that, in the unlikely event they did, there should be tax policies designed to eliminate billionaires.
Economic inequalities of that level lead to disproportionate political influence.
We are literally seeing this with Michael Bloomberg and Tom Steyer.
Trump Gurl
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Trump Gurl
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6. Socialism opposes parental rights in education
Socialism has the State, and not parents, control the education of children. Almost from birth, children are to be handed over to public institutions, where they will be taught what the State wants, regardless of parental views. Evolution must be taught. School prayer must be forbidden.
ok doser
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any system that isn't regulated to control the excesses of fallen man?
Trump Gurl
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That is the tool you wanted to keep in the forum? A proclaimed communist and anti-capitalist?
Trump Gurl
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7. Socialism promotes radical equality
A supposed absolute equality among men is the fundamental assumption of socialism. Therefore, it sees any inequality as unjust in itself. Private employers are quickly portrayed as "exploiters" whose profits really belong to their employees. As a consequence, they rule out the system of wage earning.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
let him get going and he'll probably come back to his long term idea about governance by philosopher-kings - not all that different from JR's theories about constitutional monarchies
I'm 60 - came of age (politically) during the Watergate hearings and Nixon's impeachment and resignation - my political position is always colored by cynicism and pragmatism - I think the two greatest presidents in modern history were Nixon and Ike, and the worst were FDR and Obama (and LBJ), and my voting strategy in any election is to minimize the inevitable damage that any POTUS will do
and I have no problem with seeing dictatorships as a working solution to the problem of maintaining an orderly society - pragmatically speaking.
For example - Stalin and Mao were great men who accomplished the monumental tasks of transforming primarily agrarian societies based largely upon serfdom/slavery into modern industrial nations, thus elevating the living standards of the citizens they ruled in a manner never seen before.
They were also psychopathic monsters who achieved these results at the cost of untold suffering.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
should #Millionaires exist?
For example - Climate change will inevitably open up large new areas of the Canadian north to exploration in a manner previously impossible. If I roll the dice, risk my wealth, health and time, explore the area south of Salluit and discover vast, previously unknown deposits of mineral wealth, gold for example, and develop my claim, what would you say is the limit to my compensation? Let's consider the Kirkland Lake mining area - total extracted wealth of roughly 400 billion dollars so far. Let's say my discovery up near Salluit dwarfs Kirkland Lake and is worth 2 trillion dollars. After development costs and extraction costs (including worker salaries and taxes), the mining operation yields a net profit of 500 billion dollars, US.
What share of that profit do you think I'm entitled to keep?
Capitalists accuse Marx of wanting to abolish the family and socialize women.
We already have that under capitalism.
What do you call Tinder, pornography, prostitution, "hook up culture," etc.?
And it's capitalism, not socialism, that's leading to economic conditions where people are becoming less and less likely to get married.
Capitalism both brings about the commercialization of sex and the accompanying attitude that sex is just another commodity, and at the same time, it so grinds down the working class that they feel less and less economically secure enough to start families and raise children.
Capitalism is destroying the family, not socialism.
Socialism is the only way to SAVE the family.
Also, I'm not a communist. Just saying.
Also, Imma just drop this here:
"Our bourgeois, not content with having wives and daughters of their proletarians at their disposal, not to speak of common prostitutes, take the greatest pleasure in seducing each other’s wives.
Bourgeois marriage is, in reality, a system of wives in common and thus, at the most, what the Communists might possibly be reproached with is that they desire to introduce, in substitution for a hypocritically concealed, an openly legalised community of women. For the rest, it is self-evident that the abolition of the present system of production must bring with it the abolition of the community of women springing from that system, i.e., of prostitution both public and private" (The Communist Manifesto).
"Our bourgeois, not content with having wives and daughters of their proletarians at their disposal, not to speak of common prostitutes, take the greatest pleasure in seducing each other’s wives.
Bourgeois marriage is, in reality, a system of wives in common and thus, at the most, what the Communists might possibly be reproached with is that they desire to introduce, in substitution for a hypocritically concealed, an openly legalised community of women. For the rest, it is self-evident that the abolition of the present system of production must bring with it the abolition of the community of women springing from that system, i.e., of prostitution both public and private" (The Communist Manifesto).
The Berean
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Porn and prostitution have existed in pretty much every culture that has existed. They are not products of "capitalism". they are products of sin. The have existed long before modern capitalism has existed. Do you really believe that porn and prostitution would not exist under socialism?
They are products of poverty, which have existed in pretty much every culture that has existed. Capitalism not only continues to have a problem of poverty, and, thus, things like pornography and prostitution, but it outright commercializes/commodifies sex.
Socialism would largely remove the incentives that lead people to those "professions."
The Berean
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No, there are not. Porn and prostitution infect ALL levels of society. Wealthy people are certainly involved in these activities as well.
Soiclaism will solve nothing. It is the sin nature of all mankind that is the root of all this. Will socialism make mankind less sinful?
Prostitution is the result of sexual difference and sexism; where one makes the distinction as to which is more is political.
Trump Gurl
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You are not taking that tool Traditio seriously are you? Either he is completely brainwashed so far that talking to him does no good, or he is putting on some sort of act. Nobody in the right mind says the stupid garbage he says.
I am sick to my stomach that he calls himself a Catholic. I can tell everyone here, he is not. Saint John Paul II lived under socialist oppression, under the Nazis and then the Communists, and helped free Poland from that terrible disease. Saint John Paul II chastised priests in Central America for saying the exact same disgusting things that this tool is saying.
This guy spits on the grave and the memory of John Paul II.
I recently watched this in a class.
Bernie Sanders is a democratic socialist, and as you learned, democratic socialism is compatible with Catholic social teaching: https://www.americamagazine.org/pol...socialism-compatible-catholic-social-teaching
Wealthy women become pornography actresses and prostitutes?
Trump Gurl
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Don't feed me that crap. You may be stupid enough to believe that but I am not. Socialism is socialism no matter what label you slap on it. OMG you are as stupid as a rock. Don't even talk to me anymore. I have to wash off the stupid every time I read one of your dumb posts.
There's No Such Thing as 'Democratic Socialism'
https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...socialism.html
“Democratic socialism,” as envisioned by its proponents, doesn’t exist. Not in the real world. It’s just another pipe-dream fantasy with which hucksters like Ocasio-Cortez hope to fool unsuspecting, uninformed, entitlement-minded voters. Or worse yet, themselves.
People over markets. In 1986, the U.S. Catholic bishops released a pastoral letter in which they said: “Every perspective on economic life that is human, moral, and Christian must be shaped by three questions: ‘What does the economy do for people? What does it do to people? And how do people participate in it?’” Too often, Americans serve the market as if it were its own end, its own good. But the market must exist to promote human flourishing. What good is the market if it rots one’s ability to flourish, whether we are speaking of a father who cannot find work and health care to support his family because the market does not “value” his labor or an executive who works 100 hours a week to keep productivity up with shareholder demand? What do we serve? Is God alive in the market or in the person?
People over labor. In our capitalist society, many value a person based on the wealth their labor generates. (Economists call this “human capital theory.”) This often means we do not respect the person who does low-wage labor, while so-called wealth generators, from small-business owners to titans like Steve Jobs, are venerated. But C.S.T. says that we, made in the image of God, are ourselves creators. Our labor is valuable precisely because it is human. What if the seams sewn in Bangladesh, the appliances assembled in China and the food delivered via phone app burned for us with the sacredness of the unseen hands who made them?
People over profit. The corollary to “people over labor” is that human creativity must be dignified. If we do not base a person’s value on their output but on their dignity, then regardless of what one makes or does, one’s work should be safe and it should garner a secure life. This is why, from the first papal encyclical of Catholic social teaching in 1891, the church has expressed unequivocal support for the formation of labor unions. The dignity of one’s life—whether or not one is safe from the violent arm of a boss or a machine; the ability to buy a good breakfast, clothes and school supplies for one’s children; the possibility of retirement; the care of one’s body; healing in a time of sickness—should not depend on whether or how one was able to turn a profit.
-- Source: America - The Jesuit Review; "Yes, democratic socialism is compatible with Catholic social teaching," https://www.americamagazine.org/pol...socialism-compatible-catholic-social-teaching