‘We Are Apes:’ Abortionist Blasts Atheist Recording to Drown Out Christians’ Pro-Life

[PureX]

This is a huge battle for the heart and soul of our nation. Thanks for taking a stand!

Actually, what it is, is an example of just how stupid a lot of people are.

First, the anti-abortion crowd foolishly thinks that if they shout their anti-abortion message via megaphones at the building in which they believe abortions are taking place, that somehow the message will 'convert' someone inside to their view, or that somehow the annoyance will drive the clinic away, or will drive the neighbors to drive the clinic away. It's an idiotically rude and ineffective tactic that's more likely to turn people against them and their cause than it is to turn anyone in favor it.

Then, as rude and stupid as this audio assault is, the other side decides to do the same thing, in response. So they start blasting their anti anti-abortion messages at the same time, over loud speakers. And because they aren't doing it to promote abortion, but only to counter the anti-abortion people's rudeness, they blast anti-fundamentalist Christian messages (about human evolution). So that now, the abortion battle isn't even about abortion, anymore, but has become anti-religious. Which is also more likely to turn people against them for both the noise AND the message.

So we have two groups of idiots, both using rude noise-making mechanisms to try and out-shout each other, annoying both themselves and everyone around them, likely causing the exact opposite effect to what they want. It's really just layers of ego-driven stupidity on top of yet more ego-driven stupidity. The only effect of which is to further entrench everyone encountering this fiasco in their current position on abortion, while annoying a whole bunch of people that have nothing to do with any of it.

You know you're dealing with true idiots when they think the way to win an argument is to shout louder than anyone who dares to disagree with them.

 

[Jamie Gigliotti]

Oh brother....when will you creationists ever stop saying such stupid, and easily disproven things?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyploid#Examples



Oh, the irony.

That proved nothing.

 

[Jamie Gigliotti]

Actually, what it is, is an example of just how stupid a lot of people are.

First, the anti-abortion crowd foolishly thinks that if they shout their anti-abortion message via megaphones at the building in which they believe abortions are taking place, that somehow the message will 'convert' someone inside to their view, or that somehow the annoyance will drive the clinic away, or will drive the neighbors to drive the clinic away. It's an idiotically rude and ineffective tactic that's more likely to turn people against them and their cause than it is to turn anyone in favor it.

Then, as rude and stupid as this audio assault is, the other side decides to do the same thing, in response. So they start blasting their anti anti-abortion messages at the same time, over loud speakers. And because they aren't doing it to promote abortion, but only to counter the anti-abortion people's rudeness, they blast anti-fundamentalist Christian messages (about human evolution). So that now, the abortion battle isn't even about abortion, anymore, but has become anti-religious. Which is also more likely to turn people against them for both the noise AND the message.

So we have two groups of idiots, both using rude noise-making mechanisms to try and out-shout each other, annoying both themselves and everyone around them, likely causing the exact opposite effect to what they want. It's really just layers of ego-driven stupidity on top of yet more ego-driven stupidity. The only effect of which is to further entrench everyone encountering this fiasco in their current position on abortion, while annoying a whole bunch of people that have nothing to do with any of it.

You know you're dealing with true idiots when they think the way to win an argument is to shout louder than anyone who dares to disagree with them.

Not the best tactics, Angels point it seemed was that the use of evoulution and atheism are fueling in some the lack of respect for human life.

I applauded her defense of the lives that are being discarded; ripped apart. Its an abomination!

 

[Jose Fly]

That proved nothing.

Once again, we see how it is impossible to advocate creationism honestly.

 

[Jamie Gigliotti]

Once again, we see how it is impossible to advocate creationism honestly.

And you are ignoring the truth of what happens to a human when a defect gives them an extra chromosome.

 

[PureX]

Not the best tactics, Angels point it seemed was that the use of evoulution and atheism are fueling in some the lack of respect for human life.

I applauded her defense of the lives that are being discarded; ripped apart. Its an abomination!

The problem with Angel's position (and with most anti-abortion proponent's position) is that she does not seem to be able to recognize the essential relationship between "human life" and a human being's autonomous free will, freedom of thought, and right to be 'wrong'. And having no recognition or appreciation of these fundamental aspects of our humanity, she cannot effectively understand the abortion debate, or why so many of the standard tactics and arguments that the anti-abortion crowd engages in are so completely ineffective, and serve only to convince the already convinced. Her ignorance in this regard is exactly what fuels these kinds of absurd demonstrations of our cultural/political contention, these days. And are exactly why no reasonable solutions can be achieved.

 

[Jose Fly]

And you are ignoring the truth of what happens to a human when a defect gives them an extra chromosome.

And this is where I say, thank you for illustrating my point about the inherent dishonesty of creationism.

You first claimed, "There is no mechanism for chromosome addition or subtraction". I showed direct examples of additions of chromosomes via polyploidy. But rather than recognize reality and admit your original claim was wrong, you try and move the goalposts by restricting it to humans, and you wave the examples away under the excuse of "defects", even though some of the examples were of polyploidy increasing fitness.

So we see again how it is impossible to advocate creationism honestly.

 

[Jamie Gigliotti]

And this is where I say, thank you for illustrating my point about the inherent dishonesty of creationism.

You first claimed, "There is no mechanism for chromosome addition or subtraction". I showed direct examples of additions of chromosomes via polyploidy. But rather than recognize reality and admit your original claim was wrong, you try and move the goalposts by restricting it to humans, and you wave the examples away under the excuse of "defects", even though some of the examples were of polyploidy increasing fitness.

So we see again how it is impossible to advocate creationism honestly.

Qualified to with any good results. You know the pairs have match in humans or nothing good happens, but you don't want there to be a God, so you try and make the science fit.

 

[Jose Fly]

Qualified to with any good results. You know the pairs have match in humans or nothing good happens, but you don't want there to be a God, so you try and make the science fit.

????????????? When you can muster a coherent reply, let us know.

 

[patrick jane]

Some animal species sometimes eat their young:

http://www.livescience.com/2053-animals-eat-offspring.html

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/baby-animals-rescued-mothers/

some people's kids, I tell ya :chuckle:

 

[Jamie Gigliotti]

????????????? When you can muster a coherent reply, let us know.

Do you want there to be a God?

 

[Greg Jennings]

Do you want there to be a God?

Look up the definition of agnostic. The answer will be there

 

[Jose Fly]

Do you want there to be a God?

This is precisely why creationism forces folks like you to be so blatantly dishonest. For the sane world, whether or not chromosomal changes are possible is nothing more than a matter of scientific study. And as the link I posted shows, not only can we see where chromosomal changes have occurred in the past, we can see them take place now and even manipulate the process to our own ends (e.g., triploid trout). So question answered.

But such is not the case for creationists. As your question shows, you are forced to think of the question in terms of the existence of God, where something as mundane as chromosomal changes suddenly becomes a litmus test for one's faith. That forces you to say ridiculous things like "There is no mechanism for chromosome addition or subtraction", even though you've never actually looked into the science of it. All that matters to you is, chromosomal changes = evolution, and evolution = no God, which forces you to deny that chromosomal changes occur, even though we see it happen.

And that's why it's impossible to advocate creationism honestly. It mandates that you deny so much observable reality, you have no choice but to be dishonest in defending it.

 

[Jamie Gigliotti]

Look up the definition of agnostic. The answer will be there

The personal side of rationalizing away God or doubting God is the way to give freedom to the self. But at the end of the day no-one feels good gratifying the self.

 

[Jamie Gigliotti]

This is precisely why creationism forces folks like you to be so blatantly dishonest. For the sane world, whether or not chromosomal changes are possible is nothing more than a matter of scientific study. And as the link I posted shows, not only can we see where chromosomal changes have occurred in the past, we can see them take place now and even manipulate the process to our own ends (e.g., triploid trout). So question answered.

But such is not the case for creationists. As your question shows, you are forced to think of the question in terms of the existence of God, where something as mundane as chromosomal changes suddenly becomes a litmus test for one's faith. That forces you to say ridiculous things like "There is no mechanism for chromosome addition or subtraction", even though you've never actually looked into the science of it. All that matters to you is, chromosomal changes = evolution, and evolution = no God, which forces you to deny that chromosomal changes occur, even though we see it happen.

And that's why it's impossible to advocate creationism honestly. It mandates that you deny so much observable reality, you have no choice but to be dishonest in defending it.

The point is people are using this unproven theory to rationalize killing babies.

 

[Jose Fly]

The point is people are using this unproven theory

You're just a walking manifestation of creationist ignorance, aren't you? (Hint: scientific theories aren't proven)

to rationalize killing babies.

And I've seen plenty of Christians rationalize genocide.

 

[Jamie Gigliotti]

You're just a walking manifestation of creationist ignorance, aren't you? (Hint: scientific theories aren't proven)



And I've seen plenty of Christians rationalize genocide.

Just been blessed enough to experience the power of God.

 

[Greg Jennings]

The personal side of rationalizing away God or doubting God is the way to give freedom to the self. But at the end of the day no-one feels good gratifying the self.

I think you still need to look up that definition. What you described doesn't fit

 

[Angel4Truth]

Actually, what it is, is an example of just how stupid a lot of people are.

First, the anti-abortion crowd foolishly thinks that if they shout their anti-abortion message via megaphones at the building in which they believe abortions are taking place, that somehow the message will 'convert' someone inside to their view, or that somehow the annoyance will drive the clinic away, or will drive the neighbors to drive the clinic away. It's an idiotically rude and ineffective tactic that's more likely to turn people against them and their cause than it is to turn anyone in favor it.

It does save babies, and even one saved is worth it.

 

[Alate_One]

Your motto, "defend the oppressed".
Evolution is a lie, and it reduces the value of human life.

It isn't a lie and no it doesn't reduce the value of human life.

Evolution can be true and the image of God is also true. But any philosophy can devalue human life, including forms of Christianity.

My biggest problem with the pro life movement is the hypocrisy in their concept of "pro-life".

Protect the unborn, but not innocent children from firearms. Prohibit abortion but not the death penalty when we know it is most often used against the poor and kills the innocent. Demand all pregnant women give birth but campaign against any government program that supports poor people. Become angry at poor women who have multiple children, but oppose government paid contraception and sex ed classes. Insist the church must care for everyone, even if it doesn't have the resources to do so.

The "pro life" movement as it is today does not take its principle from Christ or old testament ideas of social justice.

There is no mechanism for chromosome addition or subtraction. We are not doing this now, nor are we evolving now into anything else. It is ridiculousness. A lie to take away the glory of God.

It is how God created. It is no lie, it is part of God's glory that every organism on earth can change in response to the environment and create endless beautiful forms.