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Repentance,

You appear to be very confused, almost as if you've been brainwashed. So, I doubt that we will be able to solve all your confusion in a limited amount of time.

Start with the Qur'an - an imitation and distortion of the Holy Bible.

Almighty God is a Holy Trinity: God the Father, God the Son (Jesus Christ, The Word), and God the Holy Spirit (Holy Ghost). Yes, Jesus Christ is God, one with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit. Jesus Christ died on the cross willingly for our sins, and He is the ONLY way to Salvation. Jesus Christ is NOT just a great man or prophet, rather He is Very God.

You made a big deal about Adam being made in the image of God and talking about arms and legs as if Adam looked like we do now. God's Word doesn't offer a specific description of what Adam looked like before the original sin and man's fall. Hint: Christians won't look like they do now in Heaven. God's Word says that we'll be given a glorified body like the one Jesus Christ has. Jesus Christ did have arms and legs during His earthly ministry, but now we know Him no more after the flesh. Jesus Christ was God and man. I've tried to guess what that might be like, and all I know for sure is that it will be glorious. Some have guessed that we might be like light.

I suggest that you read God's Word, the Holy Bible, and that will solve much of your confusion.
 

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Repentance,


I suggest that you read God's Word, the Holy Bible, and that will solve much of your confusion.

I don't expect you to return the favour, but I have read the Bible and I read it most days.

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You appear to be very confused, almost as if you've been brainwashed. So, I doubt that we will be able to solve all your confusion in a limited amount of time.

Start with the Qur'an - an imitation and distortion of the Holy Bible.

Almighty God is a Holy Trinity: God the Father, God the Son (Jesus Christ, The Word), and God the Holy Spirit (Holy Ghost). Yes, Jesus Christ is God, one with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit. Jesus Christ died on the cross willingly for our sins, and He is the ONLY way to Salvation. Jesus Christ is NOT just a great man or prophet, rather He is Very God.

You made a big deal about Adam being made in the image of God and talking about arms and legs as if Adam looked like we do now. God's Word doesn't offer a specific description of what Adam looked like before the original sin and man's fall. Hint: Christians won't look like they do now in Heaven. God's Word says that we'll be given a glorified body like the one Jesus Christ has. Jesus Christ did have arms and legs during His earthly ministry, but now we know Him no more after the flesh. Jesus Christ was God and man. I've tried to guess what that might be like, and all I know for sure is that it will be glorious. Some have guessed that we might be like light.
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We would not be as we are now, but we also do know that we are not angels and that we would have certain characteristic such as gender (Adam was created male, if not then why did he need Eve, Jesus Christ IS male). Jesus Christ most certainly will be married and have children in his second coming, if he isn't already married.
 

Aimiel

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If he looks like us, that would mean He sees like us and hears us like.
Do you think He is blind or deaf?
Yeah, but if he looks like us he would need time and space.
That's comparing apples and oranges. Spirit is above flesh as Heaven is above the earth. We don't understand the spirit realm, much less God's Form.
If He looks like us, he wouldn't be spirit
So, do you imagine Him to be similar to smoke?
And if He looks like us, how can he be everywhere?
We aren't ALL of God, just similar in appearance. He is Spirit, Omniscient and Omnipresent.
I do not believe He is everywhere. I only believe that by his Knowledge and power He is everywhere and not by His essence.
Scripture says that He IS everywhere.
He is not like us in anyway, form or shape.
Scripture says that He is. You may not believe The Holy Scriptures, but They're still Truth.
God is of One essence. God is Simple in essence and all his attributes are of One essence. He does not share His Kingdom with anyone and everything other than Him is created by Him.
True. Jesus spoke of the Glory He had with The Father before the foundation of the world. God doesn't share His Glory with anyone. Ergo: Jesus IS God.
A God like this is not worthy of being worshipped. He kept the Trinity a secret, He kept His Son a secret...there is something fishy with that. I don't understand why you don't see it. I think it's because of your environment and company.
I have no idea what you mean. Company? My 'environment' is Heaven. I walk in The Kingdom of Heaven.
The Quran is the only scripture that actually claims to be from God and gives a theory of prophethood that transcends all nations including that of Israel. St.Paul should not have given it to the dogs/gentiles.
The Koran is NOT from God. It is from a demon, obviously.
The Bible does NOT say that he is begotten (change your translation). The Bible does NOT say that he is God's only son (in fact many other people were called sons of God).
He is The Only Begotten of The Father. Scripture says so. If you don't want to believe Scripture, it isn't my fault.
Furthermore it is not fitting that God should adopt a family, or children. He wouldn't punish his children, would he? And the relationship between us and God is NOT like father and son. God is WAY above that.

So also was Isaac born from Sarah, does that make him a Son of God? Yes, it does!
You need to make up your mind... is our relationship with God like Father and son or not? It is more like God's friend. I am a friend of God. Sure wish you were, too.
 

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Do you think He is blind or deaf?

No, but if he were like us, he would have ears to hear and eyes to see. And this is ungodly.

That's comparing apples and oranges. Spirit is above flesh as Heaven is above the earth. We don't understand the spirit realm, much less God's Form.

But you said that God is like us in appearance. That's comparing God to creation. That is blasphemy. Ask a Jew.

So, do you imagine Him to be similar to smoke?

I don't try to imagine God with my mind's eye. I can only see light and light is just a veil. God-consciousness is in the heart. If you have come across a person who is blind from birth, ask him about light and color - and he'll never understand what you're talking about. God is in the hearts.

We aren't ALL of God, just similar in appearance.

Blasphemy of the highest order. Your theology is corrupted and dangerous.... Ask any Jew or Muslim.

He is Spirit, Omniscient and Omnipresent.

...and contradictory. If God is like us in appearance, how in the world can he be spirit? And omnipresent?
Scripture says that He IS everywhere.

No. Ask any Jew who has some knowledge of the Tanach. This is blasphemy

And if he is like us, how can he be everywhere.

Scripture says that He is. You may not believe The Holy Scriptures, but They're still Truth.

Prove it.

If God is everywhere, he must also be in the filth and in hell, right? Pantheism and panentheism is of falsehood.

God is transcendent and He is not in creation.

True. Jesus spoke of the Glory He had with The Father before the foundation of the world. God doesn't share His Glory with anyone. Ergo: Jesus IS God.

So that's where the blasphemy roots itself. Jesus is not God, and the bible proves it so. Ask any Unitarian Christian.

I have no idea what you mean. Company? My 'environment' is Heaven. I walk in The Kingdom of Heaven.

I don't want to insult you

The Koran is NOT from God. It is from a demon, obviously.

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is unforgivable. Prove it.

He is The Only Begotten of The Father. Scripture says so. If you don't want to believe Scripture, it isn't my fault.

The NT does NOT hint at Jesus being a begotten son of God. Look it up. Look at the correct translations. You have got it wrong.


You need to make up your mind... is our relationship with God like Father and son or not? It is more like God's friend. I am a friend of God. Sure wish you were, too.

You are a friend of satan and I can prove it true.

You deny the God of Abraham and you blaspheme against him. YhVh is NOT a triune God, He does not have any sons or daughters, his logos and angels and spirit are not to be worshipped and they are not co-creators with him, He cannot be compared with any creation, He is not omnipresent and He is above all what we think of him.
 

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No, but if he were like us, he would have ears to hear and eyes to see. And this is ungodly.



But you said that God is like us in appearance. That's comparing God to creation. That is blasphemy. Ask a Jew.



I don't try to imagine God with my mind's eye. I can only see light and light is just a veil. God-consciousness is in the heart. If you have come across a person who is blind from birth, ask him about light and color - and he'll never understand what you're talking about. God is in the hearts.



Blasphemy of the highest order. Your theology is corrupted and dangerous.... Ask any Jew or Muslim.



...and contradictory. If God is like us in appearance, how in the world can he be spirit? And omnipresent?


No. Ask any Jew who has some knowledge of the Tanach. This is blasphemy

And if he is like us, how can he be everywhere.



Prove it.

If God is everywhere, he must also be in the filth and in hell, right? Pantheism and panentheism is of falsehood.

God is transcendent and He is not in creation.



So that's where the blasphemy roots itself. Jesus is not God, and the bible proves it so. Ask any Unitarian Christian.



I don't want to insult you



Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is unforgivable. Prove it.



The NT does NOT hint at Jesus being a begotten son of God. Look it up. Look at the correct translations. You have got it wrong.




You are a friend of satan and I can prove it true.

You deny the God of Abraham and you blaspheme against him. YhVh is NOT a triune God, He does not have any sons or daughters, his logos and angels and spirit are not to be worshipped and they are not co-creators with him, He cannot be compared with any creation, He is not omnipresent and He is above all what we think of him.


i'm not at all versed in anything ishlam or muslam but, it seems they are "stuck" in physical concepts and attempting to "envision" or imagine what God "looks" like. obsessed with it maybe. trying to imagine that one day they will "be" God ? ego - self ? i don't know where the mentality comes from, or if that's even close, as far as extremists. extremism of any kind can be bad, but these monsters claiming "Islam", are Insane, Criminally - :patrol:
 

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i'm not at all versed in anything ishlam or muslam but, it seems they are "stuck" in physical concepts and attempting to "envision" or imagine what God "looks" like. obsessed with it maybe. trying to imagine that one day they will "be" God ? ego - self ? i don't know where the mentality comes from, or if that's even close, as far as extremists. extremism of any kind can be bad, but these monsters claiming "Islam", are Insane, Criminally - :patrol:

What the??

There was a huge controversy that spanned a thousand years regarding God's attributes and God's essence, but that's now done. Now 99% of the Sunni world are in consensus. The problem was not what you think it was. Revelation is in the language of man, and thus the debate centred around the use of reason in interpreting revelation.

99% of Sunni Islam are in agreement that whatever we think of God is not God. We cannot use reason to picture God. God is not like a human, God cannot be compared with anything, God is not a body, not a spirit, not light. We know what God is not. We do not know what God's essence is like. Whenever we come across anything in revelation that appears to challenge reason ("face" of God, "hands" of God) we:

1) do not deny the language (to say that face means beauty, hands means control is NOT allowed)
2) do not interpret it (we do not assume we know what it means, we just leave it be)
3) do not compare God with creation
4) do not give God human features or vice versa


If you just think about it - think about how Sunni Islam has pretty much no difference in theology (compared to Christians who can't even agree who is God, or whether we are saved by faith or work, the role of freewill in fate, the role of Jesus ), and think about how we have mastered the controversies regarding how we should use reason in interpreting revelation - you must see the glory of God behind this religion, the religion he has promised to protect from polytheism. Talk about coming into a conclusion - our research in theology is complete and done over with. There is no more there is to be known and to be discovered or to be resolved.

What the "monsters" are doing in the name of Islam reflects the turmoil in political Islam, not in Islamic theology and Islamic law.
 

Aimiel

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No, but if he were like us, he would have ears to hear and eyes to see. And this is ungodly.
No, thinking God's Word isn't true is un-godly. Thinking the words of a demon are more important than God's is un-godly. Thinking God was lying when He said that man was made in the image and likeness of God is un-godly. Thinking God has no ears or eyes is also un-godly.

Your imaginary god of the Koran is only that: imaginary. A demon lied to Mohammad. You follow demonic doctrine. You have no clue about God or Jesus. You only imagine that you do. Your god doesn't even exist.
 

Lon

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Jesus Christ most certainly will be married and have children in his second coming, if he isn't already married.
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Eph 5:21 submitting to one another out of reverence for Christ.
Eph 5:22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord.
Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior.
Eph 5:24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands.
Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her,
Eph 5:26 that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word,
Eph 5:27 so that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish.
Eph 5:28 In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.
Eph 5:29 For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ does the church,
Eph 5:30 because we are members of his body.
Eph 5:31 "Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh."
Eph 5:32 This mystery is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church.
Eph 5:33 However, let each one of you love his wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.
Rev 19:7 Let us rejoice and exult and give him the glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his Bride has made herself ready;
Rev 19:8 it was granted her to clothe herself with fine linen, bright and pure"— for the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints.
Rev 19:9 And the angel said to me, "Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb." And he said to me, "These are the true words of God."
Rev 21:2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God.
We don't behead Muslims for blasphemies. We'd rather that the truth would out itself, as it surely must, and that all men everywhere would come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9

I have read much of the Quran. As one who claims to have read the Bible, you have a LOT more reading to do if you haven't understood that your claim is against scripture. This is the answer to heresy: Read the truth and understand it. You are young. I pray you will see truth. It isn't what you currently accept as truth.
 

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We don't behead Muslims for blasphemies. We'd rather that the truth would out itself, as it surely must, and that all men everywhere would come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9

I have read much of the Quran. As one who claims to have read the Bible, you have a LOT more reading to do if you haven't understood that your claim is against scripture. This is the answer to heresy: Read the truth and understand it. You are young. I pray you will see truth. It isn't what you currently accept as truth.



I have read much of the Bible. I know how it words the relationship of God and a city or a congregation as a husband-wife relationship. This is only language. A faithful wife is a city who is faithful to one God. A harlot is a city that has fallen into polytheism. The greek word for "church" really means "congregation". Most of the churches of Christ are harlots. That's the truth of that.
 

Lon

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I have read much of the Bible. I know how it words the relationship of God and a city or a congregation as a husband-wife relationship. This is only language. A faithful wife is a city who is faithful to one God. A harlot is a city that has fallen into polytheism. The greek word for "church" really means "congregation". Most of the churches of Christ are harlots. That's the truth of that.
Hosea was written about God's relationship with harlots. Muslims need to understand how far extends the grace, love, and long-suffering of God.

This is not an excuse to be unfaithful, but a reminder of how far the Love of God stretches.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

This is a good screen-name you have chosen - "Repentance."

See also John 8:1-11 ALL of us need the message of mercy and grace.
 

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No, thinking God's Word isn't true is un-godly.



What's God's word? You can't equate God's Word as the logos/memra for that is Hellenistic polytheism. We worship God and God alone, not any of his angels or agents. And furthermore the books of the NT never claim to be the word of God. Most of them are written by anonymous authors. And we know that there were far more many gospels and writings out there, and we know that it was mere men that had to select what was to be included in the canon and what wasn't. The writers clearly defined their audience, it was NOT to humanity at large.



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Thinking the words of a demon are more important than God's is un-godly.



Yes that's blasphemy and foolish. But I don't.



If you claim that the Qur'an is the word of a demon, then prove your claim. The Qur'an is more closer to the Tanach than the writings of St.Paul



Thinking God was lying when He said that man was made in the image and likeness of God is un-godly. Thinking God has no ears or eyes is also un-godly.



You don't seem to get it. God does NOT resemble us in any form or shape. God does not have ears and eyes like our own, it is foolish and illogical to think otherwise.



God is not a liar. I think you should pause and think. You clearly don't understand.



Your imaginary god of the Koran is only that: imaginary. A demon lied to Mohammad. You follow demonic doctrine. You have no clue about God or Jesus. You only imagine that you do. Your god doesn't even exist.



You continue to worship, and pray, and sacrifice to a three-in-one God, that no one before Christ ever knew of. A God who has taken for himself a Son, like the Hellenistic idea of logos. You may continue to be a polytheism and continue having the license to sin - and think that the Messiah died for all your sins, a satanic thought. All your life is gone to waste, you deny the God of Abraham for a false godhood



My God is YhVh - the God of Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Aaron, David, Solomon and Jesus. My God is the the Lord of the Torah, the Psalms and the Injil. My God is the Creator of the heavens and the earth, before whom there was nothing besides him. My God is one God of One essence and will, timeless and spaceless - transcending - the All-Hearing, the All-Seeing. My God is higher than all what we think of Him.
 

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Hosea was written about God's relationship with harlots. Muslims need to understand how far extends the grace, love, and long-suffering of God.

This is not an excuse to be unfaithful, but a reminder of how far the Love of God stretches.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

This is a good screen-name you have chosen - "Repentance."

See also John 8:1-11 ALL of us need the message of mercy and grace.



Well, I might be wrong - but I think that the God of the Trinitarians, of St.Paul is not more merciful, and gracious and compassionate than Yahweh, the God of Abraham. Because its very clear that if we are loyal to One God of Abraham, then we only need to repent of our sins and turn ourselves to the face of God and He would purify us, forgive us and have mercy on us himself. He will rebirth us in the straight path of righteousness. The Merciful God does not need to a blood (sin) sacrifice - mercy is enshrined into divine justice that encompasses the universe. God's love is greater than what we think of it - Love needs no sacrifice, it is unconditional to those who accept the lover into their lives. The wages of sin is death, but God the Purifier has all the power over sin.
 

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Well, I might be wrong - but I think that the God of the Trinitarians, of St.Paul is not more merciful, and gracious and compassionate than Yahweh, the God of Abraham. Because its very clear that if we are loyal to One God of Abraham, then we only need to repent of our sins and turn ourselves to the face of God and He would purify us, forgive us and have mercy on us himself. He will rebirth us in the straight path of righteousness. The Merciful God does not need to a blood (sin) sacrifice - mercy is enshrined into divine justice that encompasses the universe. God's love is greater than what we think of it - Love needs no sacrifice, it is unconditional to those who accept the lover into their lives. The wages of sin is death, but God the Purifier has all the power over sin.

The Sacrifice Was Made through Christ Jesus. Again, you assume to "know" what God 'needs' or requires. but you're getting your information from the wrong source. that's why nothing seems to make sense to you - :patrol:
 

Jedidiah

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We both know that My Lord Jesus Christ is going to return a Second time, and He is going to judge the living and the dead, and the fact is, I already know the verdict for me, and you don't know what it is for you. :(

Why would you follow a religion that mentions this Judge, pays Him homage -- this Judge Who's going to judge you on Resurrection Day -- rather than believe the Gospel that My Lord Himself planted in this earth over 600 years before your Prophet appeared. Your Prophet was pointing you and everybody like you to My Lord.
 

Lon

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Well, I might be wrong - but I think that the God of the Trinitarians, of St.Paul is not more merciful, and gracious and compassionate than Yahweh, the God of Abraham. Because its very clear that if we are loyal to One God of Abraham, then we only need to repent of our sins and turn ourselves to the face of God and He would purify us, forgive us and have mercy on us himself. He will rebirth us in the straight path of righteousness. The Merciful God does not need to a blood (sin) sacrifice - mercy is enshrined into divine justice that encompasses the universe. God's love is greater than what we think of it - Love needs no sacrifice, it is unconditional to those who accept the lover into their lives. The wages of sin is death, but God the Purifier has all the power over sin.
I'll print it out for you:
Joh 8:1 but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.
Joh 8:2 Early in the morning he came again to the temple. All the people came to him, and he sat down and taught them.
Joh 8:3 The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery, and placing her in the midst
Joh 8:4 they said to him, "Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of adultery.
Joh 8:5 Now in the Law Moses commands us to stone such women. So what do you say?"
Joh 8:6 This they said to test him, that they might have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground.
Joh 8:7 And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, "Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her."
Joh 8:8 And once more he bent down and wrote on the ground.
Joh 8:9 But when they heard it, they went away one by one, beginning with the older ones, and Jesus was left alone with the woman standing before him.
Joh 8:10 Jesus stood up and said to her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?"
Joh 8:11 She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said, "Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on sin no more."
Joh 8:12 Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."

God's demand for righteousness is tempered with mercy and grace because we all need it. None of us can deserve the favor of a God when we have all sinned and fall short. Mercy and grace allows for our falling and stumbling, that we might rise above sins.
 
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