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Okay, cool, so it's not a command then. Sure, doesn't make it right either.

Yeah, you probably wouldn't but then I wouldn't wanna read yours either so... You've read along easily enough haven't you? Are all men in supposedly non troubled times supposed to leave home and get married? Is that a command? People study the Bible and have a myriad different takes on plenty...

Well, nobody's arguing that the parent hasn't failed so that's kinda moot but the fact is that there's plenty who aren't ready and flat out unfit to be parents. So who does step in JR? Or is it the child's lot to starve, go thirsty and be cold, maybe even die? What should happen to a child...

And Russia did the attacking in 2014 and for the last several months. Yet you seem to think these invasions are all okay?

Again, the traditional paradigm doesn't work for everyone and your beliefs are not shared by the majority of society no matter how "truthful" you think they happen to be. It absolutely is derisory and unsupportable rubbish to claim that most mothers hate their children and simply saying "false"...

So a non answer on both. There's a shock...

It shouldn't be great, it should be the norm and thankfully is. There's a glaring double standard going on however when those who claim to be pro life deny that a child has the basic rights to that needed for survival. I wasn't arguing what you suggest at all.

Ideally the needs of the child should be met by his/her parents but when parenting fails what then JR? The child doesn't have food, water, shelter? Just bad luck of the draw that he/she got stuck with lousy parents?

Unless that has a list of rights for children to have access to essentials (and I'm presuming it doesn't) then not interested thanks.

Rather, our government has a welfare system in place and not going down this pointless and irrelevant sidebar again thanks. Frankly, if you don't support a child having access to the basic necessities for life then please stop pretending to care for children. I'm well aware that if a parent...

It's hardly a "paradise" and why on earth would you consider a country that declares that children have the right to essentials to life to be one exactly? Then it would be held accountable for failing as has happened on occasion.

That's quibbling over terminology isn't it? Do you agree that all children should have access to the necessities at least for survival once born? Otherwise all of this wrangling over abortion is empty and only underlines the point that the nun in UN's link alluded to. That many people are pro...

Why was it specifically for that time? Do you regard it as a command that all men should get married?

Which apparently solely means the right to be born?

They do where I live and rightly so. So, once a child is born then what's it supposed to do if their parent doesn't meet those needs?

Surely all children have the basic rights to food, water, warmth, shelter and education?

Some people who get married don't want children. I thought you might regard contraception as sinful which is why I asked. Not all Catholics agree however but that's the same within any belief really.

"Q"'s been playing a game with you from the get go. Sad thing is, you're still falling for it..

Do you agree that children should have rights after they've been born? Food, water, shelter, education etc?

For some hardliners on the score - this one. Some think that any form of contraception is sinful also.