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That's hardly the case here. The scripture says the great tribulation would be shortened for the elect's sake. Nothing to do with their being saved by that shortening. There will be incredible suffering coming upon those who are left after the rapture. The "elect" John is talking about are...

I believe we're simply His body. If you can call that "simply".

Made you laugh, didn't it?

I don't think so. Bride is never mentioned by Paul.

John the Baptist prepared the way....the voice crying in the wilderness. The bride is Israel or more likely, Jerusalem, so what would John being a Jew have to do with it? Also, remember, Israel was God's wife to begin with. Isaiah 54: 4 Fear not; for thou shalt not be ashamed: neither be...

I told her that once. Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Ha....in your dreams, Derf. Why do you think the apostles were sent to the Jews, and Paul to the Gentiles? If it was the same Gospel, then it wouldn't matter who they went to. Why were the apostles told to stay in Israel and continue preaching to the Jews? Here's what I think. I think the...

You can ask.....I can tell you need some attention. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think you're even saved yet. Maybe you think you've figured out the correct formula, but blown around with every wind of doctrine. I'll tell you this. The only way you will be saved is through the cross...

I think of these verses when this comes up. 1 Cor. 3 11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall...

So I'm wondering where you would draw the line. There must be a line that needs to be crossed.

We know those saved by grace are seated with Christ in the heavenlies.... Matt. 24: 12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Acts 3 19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may...

Not to be saved. You aren't saying that are you, Tam? Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Paul isn't saying to endure to the end. He is praising them for their patience during the times they were going through. It was actually a proof (manifest token) that they were believers trusting in the Lord to take them through whatever came.

This stuff is just coming out in dribs and drabs, isn't it? Maybe more like a small waterfall.

Those who believed the first Gospel, would have to endure to the end to be saved. They also were to keep the commandments. Paul's Gospel was very special. It was for the ungodly Gentiles, those who had nothing but their own consciences to rely on. God decided to give a free gift to these...

I think they were so "zealous" of the law, they were blinded by their own pride.

Oh my goodness. I've never thought of that before. :oops: To be part of Christ's body or be His bride? You always make me think, Derf. After much thought.......... I prefer to be where I am.....seated with Him in the heavenlies. The Jews are required to endure to the end, and they have...

It certainly won't be the Church of God. Here in just three verses, we see it cannot be speaking of us. Revelation 2:5-7 5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his...

I rest my case.

You'll need great patience with this one. Hoping has no idea what the Judgment Seat of Christ is all about.