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Okay thank you. But you must know... I didn't place the sun on that map. That is an image you provided to me. Second... the sun couldn't be where it is on the map because if you remember it was west and slightly north to all of us. On that map image the sun appears to be west and south of all...

When debating you will very rarely (if ever) get someone to say... "Hmmm I guess you are right and I am wrong". We should do that. But we don't. The good news is... when the person you are debating has to question the validity of math you know you have won! Why be mad when you are winning so...

patrick jane I reversed your infraction so that you could complete our experiment. Thank me later. :)

What's the fun in that? Crushing this argument and watching these guys try to change the subject is the satisfying part. :)

Uh... yeah... you can map out perspective. You are mocking that? :idunno:

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Genius!

Patrick that image of earth looks like an intentionally exaggerated map to show the high and low spots on earth. It's not to scale (as Right Divider and CabinetMaker pointed out). The same could be done on a Flat Earth map. Shrink the map way down but leave the high and low elevations to more...

I think Patrick thinks that it doesn't stay the same size. Seems like I remember him saying that but he can correct me if I'm wrong.

Okay but please don't forget to help us with our experiment. I don't see why you have to wait for Dave. Heck there isn't that many places the sun could possibly be in our diagram. Why don't you just take a shot at it yourself? Maybe STP can help you plot it. Just make a dot where the sun would...

Keep in mind we are dealing with people who don't put a high value on being honest with themselves. The Flat Earth theory is like a drug it consumes them and makes them stupid (just like drugs do).

Yes. West and slightly north. See this pic... Note that the sun is centered in the pic and the compass is showing that it's a tad north. Same thing in Clete's pic. You should get the Spyglass app so you know what you are looking at. Denver is north of the St. Louis so I doubt the sun is...

No rush. Okay great. Just place the dot where the sun might be at the 2am UTC (hint 1: it needs to be west and slightly north of all 3 of us). Then add the large ring of where the light is hitting the surface so we can see if it's a reasonable explanation as to why it's daylight here in Denver...

Well then it should be easy for you to show me on this image where the sun was when we took our 2amUTC images. Just copy this image and open it up in a image editor and draw a dot where the sun could have been. Then draw a larger circle or shape to show the area of the flat earth that was...

Okay so lets review.... Clete and I both took pictures at 12, 1, 2, 3UTC. Clete lives near Houston and I near Denver. In the grand scheme of things we are geographically very close to each other. On a flat earth map here are our locations. I put Patrick in there as well. Click the image to...

Hey STP.... here is an azimuthal projection except this time it's centered on the South Pole. Note how these projections distort shapes and distances. Now just think.... you are basing your world-view on that type of distortion.

Why hasn't the Flat Earth society or folks that believe in a flat earth ever produced a semi reasonable map of the flat earth that shows accurate continent sizes and oceans sizes? You will agree that the maps that Patrick posted cannot possibly be accurate correct??

And what expertise do you have regarding flight paths?

I would think that this would be the preeminent thing to do for those that believe in a flat earth. Heck, simply showing that the width of Australia is way off and also that the oceans near the "ice wall" are dramatically larger than current knowledge would be a bombshell. Just charter a jet and...