And that is why your point belongs in a different topic.
Maunday Thursday
- Thread starter rstrats
- Start date
You should be more concerned with truth, rstrats.
Not made up celebrations based off of incorrect interpretations of the Bible.
Oh, I am JR. I would like to learn the truth with regard to when the Lord's Supper took place - at the beginning of the calendar day or during the afternoon of the calendar day.
Idolater
"Matthew 16:18-19" Dispensationalist (Catholic) χρ
Maundy Thursday uses our nomenclature, our timeline. Dusk, sundown, is still called the same day until midnight, so the day we call Thursday turns into Thursday evening, not Friday evening.
By your reasoning it happened on Friday evening, but by our convention it was Thursday night.
I understand you. What I don't understand is why you want to observe the goings on of the first century using the nomenclature - as you call it - of during the present time instead of the nomenclature during the time of when they actually happened.
But which Thursday night of Thursday - the first night of Thursday or the second night of Thursday?
Idolater
"Matthew 16:18-19" Dispensationalist (Catholic) χρ
We formally recognize days as starting at midnight, we practically consider them to start at dawn. The ancient Levant practically considered them to start at dusk.
So while what they would say is the beginning of Monday, at dusk following Sunday's daytime, we would call that still Sunday.
That's Palm Sunday, and for the same reason, that's why Maundy Thursday is Thursday and not Maundy Friday. Also it's not Palm Monday.
We celebrate Palm Sunday during the daytime on Sunday, and then the event we commemorate actually occurred later that evening, which is according to the ancient Levant the start of the first half of Monday, but for us under our convention, it's still Sunday.
"Sunday night" for us, was 10 Nisan in the ancient Levant. So therefore "Thursday night" was 14 Nisan, and 14 Nisan is Passover. 15 Nisan that year was not only the first day of Unleavened Bread, but also a standard weekly Sabbath, a Saturday, and then, per Leviticus 23:11, came First Fruits, on Sunday.
So that puts Sunday on 16 Nisan, the third day, counting 14 Nisan as day one (and Jesus was taken down from the cross and buried before it got dark), 15 Nisan as day two, and 16 Nisan as the third day.
So while what they would say is the beginning of Monday, at dusk following Sunday's daytime, we would call that still Sunday.
That's Palm Sunday, and for the same reason, that's why Maundy Thursday is Thursday and not Maundy Friday. Also it's not Palm Monday.
We celebrate Palm Sunday during the daytime on Sunday, and then the event we commemorate actually occurred later that evening, which is according to the ancient Levant the start of the first half of Monday, but for us under our convention, it's still Sunday.
"Sunday night" for us, was 10 Nisan in the ancient Levant. So therefore "Thursday night" was 14 Nisan, and 14 Nisan is Passover. 15 Nisan that year was not only the first day of Unleavened Bread, but also a standard weekly Sabbath, a Saturday, and then, per Leviticus 23:11, came First Fruits, on Sunday.
So that puts Sunday on 16 Nisan, the third day, counting 14 Nisan as day one (and Jesus was taken down from the cross and buried before it got dark), 15 Nisan as day two, and 16 Nisan as the third day.
Ok, since we can't agree on when a calendar day starts with regard to discussions about happenings in the first century, we'll just have to leave it at that.
However, I do have a question about one of your comments, i.e., "So that puts Sunday on 16 Nisan, the third day, counting 14 Nisan as day one (and Jesus was taken down from the cross and buried before it got dark), 15 Nisan as day two, and 16 Nisan as the third day."
How do you account for the lack of the third night with that timeframe?
Idolater
"Matthew 16:18-19" Dispensationalist (Catholic) χρ
15 Nisan along with it being the first day of the feast of Unleavened Bread is also a Sabbath, because it fell on a Saturday. So it's like two holidays, the standard weekly holiday of the Sabbath, and now also, because it's 15 Nisan (and 15 Nisan can fall on any day of the week unlike the Sabbath which is always a Saturday), the first day of the feast of Unleavened Bread of Matzos as well. On the same day.
How does that explain the lack of a third night?
Idolater
"Matthew 16:18-19" Dispensationalist (Catholic) χρ
So 15 Nisan being the first day of the feast of Unleavened Bread and happening also to be a Sabbath is like two days in one.
I've got to say that that is the most outside of the box try at explaining the issue that I have heard. But that wouldn't work because it would add up to 4 nights.
Idolater
"Matthew 16:18-19" Dispensationalist (Catholic) χρ
15 Nisan begins what we call Friday at sundown. So that night, is both the first day (because the day begins at night) of Unleavened Bread, plus the Sabbath, meaning 16 Nisan is First Fruits, which begins Saturday night. So with those two holidays happening at the same time, overlapping holidays, that might count as two nights in one. Then 16 Nisan starts Saturday night, that's three nights. Raised early in the morning, meaning still on 16 Nisan, which is First Fruits (Leviticus 23:11).
Are you using a midnight - to midnight calendar day?