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Originally Posted by glorydaz
Judas was never saved to begin with.
Re The Disciples__in this, consider them to still be in the world trying to understand what it means to not be part of it, as Jesus prayed about in John 17:
We must keep in mind that everything Jesus did in the matter of calling and choosing His Disciples, He did so before salvation and new birth was made possible by His death and resurrection. With that established in our thinking, what transpired could only be a leading up to to it whereby the indwelling [John 20:22] would make it all complete__sortta like them running with a promise they had no idea what is was and wouldn’t understand anyway. Jesus didn’t go into detail except to say this to them: “Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.” John 14:17 (KJV) By this we can see Jesus speaking of Himself being with them but not in them. So we might ask, were any of them saved? By faith, yes, I believe so They believe on Him however, had any of them died they would not have gone to heaven. Why? Because Jesus had not yet made peace with God on their behalf per Rom. 5:1. We can safely say they satisfied the first half of that verse but certainly not the last half. With regard to Judas, I don’t believe he qualified for either half. He was certainly not righteous therefore not justified/blameless. He died in that state.
Now here is where we both might get understanding that will satisfy our longing for it in this matter. Did not God say this: “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.” Isaiah 45:7 (KJV) And God brings “evil” [mischief] about when it is convenient for His purposes, always for things set in Himself. Question: Was not Judas evil? I’ll stop here and let you ponder it__and when pondering don’t forget Judas was also part of the 70 that went out from Jesus to perform those miracles we read of. That observation can easily start a whole discussion dealing with modern day preachers.
I am delighted in all of this with you, Victoria. It is a time of refreshing for me. So nice to discuss about the things of God, to share thinking and maybe be adjusted while desiring to be accurate for another’s blessing.
Thank you
Lov’in Jesus,
Ken
Originally Posted by glorydaz
Judas was never saved to begin with.
Re The Disciples__in this, consider them to still be in the world trying to understand what it means to not be part of it, as Jesus prayed about in John 17:
We must keep in mind that everything Jesus did in the matter of calling and choosing His Disciples, He did so before salvation and new birth was made possible by His death and resurrection. With that established in our thinking, what transpired could only be a leading up to to it whereby the indwelling [John 20:22] would make it all complete__sortta like them running with a promise they had no idea what is was and wouldn’t understand anyway. Jesus didn’t go into detail except to say this to them: “Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.” John 14:17 (KJV) By this we can see Jesus speaking of Himself being with them but not in them. So we might ask, were any of them saved? By faith, yes, I believe so They believe on Him however, had any of them died they would not have gone to heaven. Why? Because Jesus had not yet made peace with God on their behalf per Rom. 5:1. We can safely say they satisfied the first half of that verse but certainly not the last half. With regard to Judas, I don’t believe he qualified for either half. He was certainly not righteous therefore not justified/blameless. He died in that state.
Now here is where we both might get understanding that will satisfy our longing for it in this matter. Did not God say this: “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.” Isaiah 45:7 (KJV) And God brings “evil” [mischief] about when it is convenient for His purposes, always for things set in Himself. Question: Was not Judas evil? I’ll stop here and let you ponder it__and when pondering don’t forget Judas was also part of the 70 that went out from Jesus to perform those miracles we read of. That observation can easily start a whole discussion dealing with modern day preachers.
I am delighted in all of this with you, Victoria. It is a time of refreshing for me. So nice to discuss about the things of God, to share thinking and maybe be adjusted while desiring to be accurate for another’s blessing.
Thank you
Lov’in Jesus,
Ken
