What more than the chemistry and physics going on in your brain allows for you to think logically. Evidence please.
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I'm spending my life right now calling you a liar! The worst kind of liar! The naive that lies to himself!
You're not just a liar, you're a hypocrite. Throughout our entire exchange, which is all still right here for the entire world to read, I have been the one presenting actual arguments that are 100% rationally sound while you make baseless claim after baseless claim and in so doing become the very thing you claim to hate.
This entire thread, and every post I've made on it, is direct proof to the contrary - and you know it! I pity you.
I've presented more than evidence, I've present proof! You seem too dull to have perceived it.
Keep your pity and your inability to answer the question of what, other than chemistry and physics in your brain, allows you to reason? If you presented evidence before I missed it so just do it again.
Chemistry and physics doesn't allow you to reason.
In other words, your question is a loaded question. Answering it the way you want it answered concedes the very premise that Clete has already undermined.
No one is saying that your brain doesn't do stuff when you think.
But to assume that the stuff that happens in one's brain is the very act of thinking itself is not only begging the question, but is likely the result of confirmation bias.
What Clete is asking you, that you are avoiding answering like it's the Plague, is far more fundamental to the discussion. To use a building analogy: You're trying to defend against Clete from the 21st floor, while Clete is deep underground using TNT on the foundation.
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THE LAWS OF LOGIC.
THE LAWS OF LOGIC.
Please demonstrate where we can find those in the material world.
I did answer it! What are you even talking about? I've proven that you cannot even ask the question without presupposing that MY worldview is true! The very fact that you are here is PROOF that you are wrong!
Further, reason is not just another biological function, like digestion or respiration. Digestion and respiration are purely physical processes, while reasoning involves meaning, logic, and truth. These cannot be reduced to chemistry or physics. If truth exists, it must be grounded in something beyond nature.
The consequences of this argument are clear. Naturalism cannot explain reason. Any attempt to do so either undermines itself or reduces thought to a meaningless byproduct of physics. However, reason does exist, and we rely on it every day. The only explanation that makes sense is that reason comes from something beyond nature, something rational, something personal, something that can be described as God.
You didn't miss it! You cannot have missed it. You may not have understood it or you may have ignored it, but that isn't the same thing.
I really don't think he understands the argument.
I recall when Hilston first introduced me to the TAG. I didn't get it for the longest time! If felt contradictory to me at first. Then one day, the light came on and now I can't understand how I didn't see it from the beginning.
Both the TAG and Lewis' argument are of a kind, I think, and I'm sort of holding out hope that the light might still come on for Avajs.
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Where there's life, there's hope.
Transcendental Argument for God
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Thanks
Perhaps but I didn't see it at first myself and so I'm willing to give him some time on it.
The Transcendental Argument for the existence of God.
It's what I presented in post 76.
That's one of my favorite sayings. I should say it out loud more often. It has meaning from more than one direction.