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Catholics and Protestants made a cottage industry out of it in Europe, by way of.
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Catholics and Protestants made a cottage industry out of it in Europe, by way of.
ok doser
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you're a fairly intelligent man - surely you understand the point i was making
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not for "as long as there have been (Christians)"
town said:
by way of what?
by way of demonstrating that you're not a fairly intelligent man? :freak:
ummm... ok :idunno:
I understood it, but it was a dull point. As with the effort by some to turn Christ into a crafty lawyer in the example of the woman at the well, it misses the actual point. So if it makes your heart sing I'll be the first to admit that before Christians were in a position to tear at each other, before they were empowered in their division on exegesis they didn't do what they weren't able to do.
lain: For quite a while the struggle was to survive persecution, then to spread a largely unified vision. Eventually enough time passed and power amassed. Once Christianity rolled over Europe and separate powers could consider their differences (or Christians within a power, as in England) the killings began. And they didn't stop altogether for a very, very long time. Even after secularized governments stopped the wholesale slaughter there were Catholic/Protestant killings going on across the pond.
ok doser
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I understood it, but it was a dull point. As with the effort by some to turn Christ into a crafty lawyer in the example of the woman at the well, it misses the actual point. So if it makes your heart sing I'll be the first to admit that before Christians were in a position to tear at each other, before they were empowered in their division on exegesis they didn't do what they weren't able to do.
now, was that so difficult?
ok doser
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now, back to yorzhik's point
why do you suppose mooslims did do what Christians "weren't able to do"?
why do you suppose mooslims did do what Christians "weren't able to do"?
To bring you to the actual point? Not particularly. I don't normally consider telling people that before someone can actually do a thing they don't tend to do it.
What makes you assume that statement is true?
ok doser
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the point that yorzhik was making that you were trying desperately to avoid is that islam is inherently violent, and has been from day one
| Consider some facts, attested to by both Muslim and non-Muslim primary historic sources: A mere decade after the birth of Islam in the 7th century, the jihad burst out of Arabia. In just a few decades, Muslims had permanently conquered what was then two-thirds of the Christian world. The heart of the Muslim world today—nations like Egypt, Syria, all of North Africa, Turkey and more—were, in the 7th century, the heart of Christendom. Thereafter it was a continuous war on Christian Europe. Among other nations and territories that were attacked and/or came under Muslim domination throughout the centuries are (to give them their modern names and in no particular order): Portugal, Spain, France, Italy, Sicily, Switzerland, Austria, Hungary, Greece, Russia, Poland, Bulgaria, Ukraine, Lithuania, Romania, Albania, Serbia, Armenia, Georgia, Crete, Cyprus, Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Macedonia, Belarus, Malta, Sardinia, Moldova, Slovakia, and Montenegro. Less than three decades after the traditional date of Islam’s founding (622), three of the five original Christian centers (“sees”) founded by the apostles—in Alexandria, Antioch, and Jerusalem—were forever swallowed up by Islam; the fourth, Constantinople, valiantly resisted the Islamic onslaught for centuries, but was finally conquered in the name of Islam in 1453. Though sacked and burned by Muslims as early as 846, only distant Rome—the Vatican, fifth of the ancient Christian sees—remained unconquered. http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/263785/islamic-violence-forget-koran-look-history-raymond-ibrahim |
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Try to have peace in any western country where the Muslim population has broken 20%.
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Like Turkey?
So your idea of a laugh fest rebuttal is noting a year old attempt that was met and in short order overcome by not only the military, but by thousands of regular citizens who took to the streets to defend their government? Okay.
lain:For everyone else, Turkey is a member of Nato, an almost entirely Muslim country that has a secular institution of government.
Using the Global Peace Index
Mauritius, ranked the 23 most peaceful nation has a Muslim population of 17% and rising.
Qatar, ranked 34th is about 77% Muslim.
Indonesia, ranked 42nd, is about 87% Muslim.
Ghana, ranked 44th has 18% Muslims.
(France and the UK are ranked 46th and 47th, to lend context)
Mauritius, ranked the 23 most peaceful nation has a Muslim population of 17% and rising.
Qatar, ranked 34th is about 77% Muslim.
Indonesia, ranked 42nd, is about 87% Muslim.
Ghana, ranked 44th has 18% Muslims.
(France and the UK are ranked 46th and 47th, to lend context)
Well, gee. Don't stop there:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ab0BBnjAetduhDEbqXBP33Nxujqu2oJyPFOkouIijPY/edit?usp=sharing
So your idea of a laugh fest rebuttal is noting a year old attempt that was met and in short order overcome by not only the military, but by thousands of regular citizens who took to the streets to defend their government? Okay.
:darwinsm:
Seriously? You think a nation could be called peaceful after a military coup in its very recent history?
And why are we talking about Muslims for anyway?
Have you revised your definition of censorship yet? No sensible discussion can occur until you start speaking the same language as everyone else.
ok doser
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ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
ask him about "compact" :chuckle:
You don't see the U.S. either. We're 103 out of 162. But you will find a number of Muslim countries/countries with large Muslim populations situated in the peaceful side of the ledger, which remains the rebuttal.
It wasn't offered as an exhaustive list, only a rebuttal to the offered notion that you couldn't find a country with a large Muslim population that was also peaceful.
Do/don't, there are any number of other countries to take its place, as I began to note.
You'll have to follow the conversation back if you're confused on the point.
Didn't offer one, but I've revised my position on your honesty as a debater, sadly.
No sensible conversation can happen until you behave sensibly within the context of a discussion. So...
ok doser
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:think:
i don't believe any of those are western countries :idunno:
ClimateSanity
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:chuckle: List the Western countries with a Muslim population over 20%.
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What are the Muslim populations of Sweden and Germany?
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