Why the Christmas Tsunamis?

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Jefferson

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Why the Christmas Tsunamis?

Monday December 27th, 2004. This is show #258.

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[The Christmas tsunamis] tell us that the past was not all that long ago. By that I mean the "young earth" is the model for understanding geology and to help geologist make predictions of future geologic events. The earth has not been settling for 5 billion years. If so, it should be mostly settled down by now. It should be much more inert than it is.
 

Zakath

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Why the tsunamis? Perhaps because the shifting of the tectonic plates generated enough energy to cause the waves...

... perhaps it was Enyart's god punishing the heathen... :rolleyes:
 

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Well, maybe Zak's on to something. After all, good white folk weren't hit by these things.

Merry Christmas, and here's 25,000 little gifts for the lake of fire.:rolleyes:
 

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SECOND BEST QUOTE OF THE SHOW:
This year twice I debated Dr. John Nichole, once officially a moderated debate and the second time a bit more informally. He's a geophysicist and the president of the prestigious Environmental and Engineering Geophysical Society. We debated about the age of the earth. And after the second event...John said to me (if I could paraphrase. I wasn't writing this down), "Do you realize that if the earth is younger, then as geologists, we should warn governments that the earth is not as stable as we have been claiming. And that future earthquakes could occur in more locations and they could be more devastating than we would otherwise predict." And I said, "Exactly. Exactly."

Looks like Enyart has been proven right.
 

Zakath

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Originally posted by Jefferson

SECOND BEST QUOTE OF THE SHOW:

Looks like Enyart has been proven right.
Actually it looks like his debating opponent was correct, not Enyart. :rolleyes:

Though, a single datapoint is not a trend...
 

Zakath

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Originally posted by Jefferson

How so?
The comment was quoted as being made by "John", not Bob.

Besides, it's more likely that this earthquake was as devastating as it was because of it's location, not merely its magnitude.

"Natural" disasters (or "acts of God" as they used to be known) can be horribly devastating in relatively low-tech cultures with poor infrastructure... insufficient roads and vehicles to evacuate popluations, poorly constructed shelter, insufficient medical care, insufficient emergency response, etc. All those combine with poor communications to create staggering loss of life.

If the same event occurred off, say the California or Japanese coast, the resulting damge and loss of life would probably have been significantly lower.
 

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Originally posted by Zakath

The comment was quoted as being made by "John", not Bob.

Besides, it's more likely that this earthquake was as devastating as it was because of it's location, not merely its magnitude.

"Natural" disasters (or "acts of God" as they used to be known) can be horribly devastating in relatively low-tech cultures with poor infrastructure... insufficient roads and vehicles to evacuate popluations, poorly constructed shelter, insufficient medical care, insufficient emergency response, etc. All those combine with poor communications to create staggering loss of life.

If the same event occurred off, say the California or Japanese coast, the resulting damge and loss of life would probably have been significantly lower.

Not so much for technology as for topography. It is much easier to get to high ground anywhere on the west coast of the two American continents. Granted that early warning would certainly help. But if a large slip-strike quake along the plate convergence zone hit just outside the Straight of Juan de Fuca, all the warning systems in the world wouldn't save low-lying areas of Seattle, Victoria or Vancouver. Within minutes they would be underwater. The waves move at about 700 miles per hour, faster than a jet at cruising speed. A bit tough to out run if you don't have a very big headstart!
 

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Originally posted by Zakath

The comment was quoted as being made by "John", not Bob.
Yes and John said, "Do you realize that if the earth is younger, then as geologists, we should warn governments that the earth is not as stable as we have been claiming. And that future earthquakes could occur in more locations and they could be more devastating than we would otherwise predict."

The Christmas quakes were more devastating than "old earth" theorists like John had been predicting. Hence, the Christmas quakes are evidence that Enyart (and all the other "young earth" theorists) is right.
 

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Originally posted by Chileice
The waves move at about 700 miles per hour, faster than a jet at cruising speed. A bit tough to out run if you don't have a very big headstart!
The waves signifcantly slow down as they start to reach the shallow water of the shore. The energy is converted into height.
 

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Originally posted by Jefferson

Yes and John said, "Do you realize that if the earth is younger, then as geologists, we should warn governments that the earth is not as stable as we have been claiming. And that future earthquakes could occur in more locations and they could be more devastating than we would otherwise predict."

The Christmas quakes were more devastating than "old earth" theorists like John had been predicting. Hence, the Christmas quakes are evidence that Enyart (and all the other "young earth" theorists) is right.

The quakes were more devastating because they were big ones, big ones happen from time to time, and because of their location.
I suggest that Enyart perhaps might check with John Nicoll (sp?) now to see if he agrees with Enyart's interpretation of their earlier conversation. Absent that one comment there was nothing in Enyart's presentation about the Christmas quakes that indicated any knowledge of geology other than what he may have gleaned from his own interpretation of the Bible, which "knowledge" remains abysmal but still enables him to pontificate to his true believers.
 

firechyld

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Enyart's tenuous grasp of geology makes one wonder what he really understands about theology.

Quite.

On what is he basing the statement that the earth ISN'T substantially more tectonically stable than it used to be?

(And if anyone says "the Bible", I'll be highly unimpressed.)
 

Zakath

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Originally posted by Jefferson

Yes and John said, "Do you realize that if the earth is younger, then as geologists, we should warn governments that the earth is not as stable as we have been claiming. And that future earthquakes could occur in more locations and they could be more devastating than we would otherwise predict."

The Christmas quakes were more devastating than "old earth" theorists like John had been predicting. Hence, the Christmas quakes are evidence that Enyart (and all the other "young earth" theorists) is right.
One thing that does not come across in your hero's retelling of the story is vocal inflection... I think it's entirely possible that "John" was speaking sarcastically even if Enyart doesn't choose to recall the private aside that way...
 
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