ECT WHO WAS GOD TALKING OF IN EPH 2:17 ??

DAN P

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Hi to all and in Eph 2:17 it reads , And having come , He HIMSELF Preached the GOSPEL / EUAGGELIZO , Peace TO YOU , the ones Far off , and to the NEAR ONES !!

#1, There are to peoples here !!

#2 , The ONES FAR OFF !!

#3 , And the NEAR ONES !!

#4 The Greek word CAME / ERCHOMAI is in the AORIST TENSE and points back to Jesus !!

The next Greek word is PREACHED / EUAGGELIZO and points back to Jesus earthly ministry !!

It seems to me that HAVING COME points ahead to the VISIONS that Paul received during his ministry !!

We see in Gal 4:14 that Paul was welcomed as an angel of God , EVEN AS " CHRIST JESUS " and that Paul was a STAND IN for Christ during Paul's ministry !!

The Jews were the NEAR ONES !!

The GENTILES were the ones FAR OFF as Eph 2:13 refers to !!

It looks like there were 2 people and 2 programs , BUT today , there is ONLY 1P 1P called the MYSTERY , Col 1:25 and 26 !!

dan p
 

Danoh

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Hi to all and in Eph 2:17 it reads , And having come , He HIMSELF Preached the GOSPEL / EUAGGELIZO , Peace TO YOU , the ones Far off , and to the NEAR ONES !!

#1, There are to peoples here !!

#2 , The ONES FAR OFF !!

#3 , And the NEAR ONES !!

#4 The Greek word CAME / ERCHOMAI is in the AORIST TENSE and points back to Jesus !!

The next Greek word is PREACHED / EUAGGELIZO and points back to Jesus earthly ministry !!

It seems to me that HAVING COME points ahead to the VISIONS that Paul received during his ministry !!

We see in Gal 4:14 that Paul was welcomed as an angel of God , EVEN AS " CHRIST JESUS " and that Paul was a STAND IN for Christ during Paul's ministry !!

The Jews were the NEAR ONES !!

The GENTILES were the ones FAR OFF as Eph 2:13 refers to !!

It looks like there were 2 people and 2 programs , BUT today , there is ONLY 1P 1P called the MYSTERY , Col 1:25 and 26 !!

dan p

A point, DP - BOTH Unbelieving Israelites and Unbelieving Gentiles are in view there. Buth both as former ENEMIES of God.

BOTH were enemies - those who WERE far off "Gentiles in the flesh" and those who WERE nigh - "that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands..."

Formerly lost Gentiles...

Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

Formerly lost Israelites, or spiritual Uncircumcision...

Ephesians 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

1 Thessalonians 2:15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: 2:16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.

Romans 2:24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written. 2:25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made UNCIRCUMCISION.

Romans 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

Ephesians 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved; ) 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Ephesians 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

RECONCILE both? What's that about?

The same issue of Ephesians 2:1 thru 3 - formerly lost Israelite and Gentile enemies of God in need of being reconciled unto Him by the blood of Christ.

Colossians 1:21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled 1:22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

The dative is both.
 

God's Truth

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Hi to all and in Eph 2:17 it reads , And having come , He HIMSELF Preached the GOSPEL / EUAGGELIZO , Peace TO YOU , the ones Far off , and to the NEAR ONES !!

#1, There are to peoples here !!

#2 , The ONES FAR OFF !!

#3 , And the NEAR ONES !!

#4 The Greek word CAME / ERCHOMAI is in the AORIST TENSE and points back to Jesus !!

The next Greek word is PREACHED / EUAGGELIZO and points back to Jesus earthly ministry !!

It seems to me that HAVING COME points ahead to the VISIONS that Paul received during his ministry !!

We see in Gal 4:14 that Paul was welcomed as an angel of God , EVEN AS " CHRIST JESUS " and that Paul was a STAND IN for Christ during Paul's ministry !!

The Jews were the NEAR ONES !!

The GENTILES were the ones FAR OFF as Eph 2:13 refers to !!

It looks like there were 2 people and 2 programs , BUT today , there is ONLY 1P 1P called the MYSTERY , Col 1:25 and 26 !!

dan p

That is right, the Jews were near and the Gentiles were far off.

However, today there are only two people, and those are the wicked and the saved.
The wicked are those who reject Christ, and then those who are near are those who search God and find Him.
 

DAN P

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That is right, the Jews were near and the Gentiles were far off.

However, today there are only two people, and those are the wicked and the saved.
The wicked are those who reject Christ, and then those who are near are those who search God and find Him.


Hi and there are still 2 people , THE JEWS and Gentiles !!

Israel is in a state of STUPOR as written in Rom 11:8 BUT will be saved after the Body of Christ has departed 1 Cor 15:51 !!

Then Israel will be saved as written in Rom 11:26 !!

dan p
 

andyc

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Hi to all and in Eph 2:17 it reads , And having come , He HIMSELF Preached the GOSPEL / EUAGGELIZO , Peace TO YOU , the ones Far off , and to the NEAR ONES !!

#1, There are to peoples here !!

#2 , The ONES FAR OFF !!

#3 , And the NEAR ONES !!

#4 The Greek word CAME / ERCHOMAI is in the AORIST TENSE and points back to Jesus !!

The next Greek word is PREACHED / EUAGGELIZO and points back to Jesus earthly ministry !!

Which is why Paul is talking about Jesus who came and preached.


It seems to me

Uh oh.

that HAVING COME points ahead to the VISIONS that Paul received during his ministry !!

:doh:


We see in Gal 4:14 that Paul was welcomed as an angel of God , EVEN AS " CHRIST JESUS " and that Paul was a STAND IN for Christ during Paul's ministry !!

The Jews were the NEAR ONES !!

The GENTILES were the ones FAR OFF as Eph 2:13 refers to !!

It looks like there were 2 people and 2 programs , BUT today , there is ONLY 1P 1P called the MYSTERY , Col 1:25 and 26 !!

dan p

Paul was simply honoring the Galatians in the way they initially received him. Go out for a starbucks.
 

God's Truth

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Hi and there are still 2 people , THE JEWS and Gentiles !!

Israel is in a state of STUPOR as written in Rom 11:8 BUT will be saved after the Body of Christ has departed 1 Cor 15:51 !!

How do you get that the Jews will be saved after the body of Christ has departed?
Then Israel will be saved as written in Rom 11:26 !!

How do you get that? We are all the same to God.
 

DAN P

Well-known member
How do you get that? We are all the same to God.


Hi and Israel INHERITANCE is the Land and the 1000 reign of Christ as Israel will be a KINGS and PRIESTS in the MILLENNIUM Ez 19:6 and Rev 1:6 as Gal 3:28 points out , there are NO JEWS and Greeks in the B O C !!

dan p
 

God's Truth

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Hi and Israel INHERITANCE is the Land and the 1000 reign of Christ as Israel will be a KINGS and PRIESTS in the MILLENNIUM Ez 19:6 and Rev 1:6 as Gal 3:28 points out , there are NO JEWS and Greeks in the B O C !!

dan p

All who belong to God must be in the body.

All earthly land promises have been given a long time ago.

Any land taken away is because the Jews broke the promise.

There is a better promise in which we draw near.
 

DAN P

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All who belong to God must be in the body.

All earthly land promises have been given a long time ago.

Any land taken away is because the Jews broke the promise.

There is a better promise in which we draw near.


Hi and where is thatbverse where all are in the B O C ??

You will be better to REALL understand what Gal3:28 is saying to all !!

In Gal 3:28 , Paul is wtiting to the B O C !!

It is obviously that Rev 1:6 is not getteing trough ??

The B O C are NOT KINGS and PRIESTS like Israel will be , get your FACTS straight !!

There are 4 verbs in Gal 3:28 !!

#1 , thr first 3 are all THERE CANNOT BE /ENI all in the PRESENTN TENSE of CONTINOUS ACTION in this Grace AGE !!

#2 , The last verb is ARE / ESTE also in the PRESENT TENSE PERTINENT only to this AGE of GRACE !!

That we are in Christ forever , or OSAS !!

Only individual saved Jews will be allowed into the B O C and does not mean the NATION of Israel !!

You have no verse to back up your ASSERTION !!

dan p
 

God's Truth

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Hi and where is thatbverse where all are in the B O C ??

You will be better to REALL understand what Gal3:28 is saying to all !!

In Gal 3:28 , Paul is wtiting to the B O C !!

It is obviously that Rev 1:6 is not getteing trough ??

The B O C are NOT KINGS and PRIESTS like Israel will be , get your FACTS straight !!

There are 4 verbs in Gal 3:28 !!

#1 , thr first 3 are all THERE CANNOT BE /ENI all in the PRESENTN TENSE of CONTINOUS ACTION in this Grace AGE !!

#2 , The last verb is ARE / ESTE also in the PRESENT TENSE PERTINENT only to this AGE of GRACE !!

That we are in Christ forever , or OSAS !!

Only individual saved Jews will be allowed into the B O C and does not mean the NATION of Israel !!

You have no verse to back up your ASSERTION !!

dan p

The Jews and Gentiles can only be saved by being in the Body of Christ.

Jesus told the Jews how they can be in his body---BY EATING HIM!

If you eat him you are in him and he is in you.
 

DAN P

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The Jews and Gentiles can only be saved by being in the Body of Christ.

Jesus told the Jews how they can be in his body---BY EATING HIM!

If you eat him you are in him and he is in you.


Hi and I know what verse you can use and it was Jesus and the 12 DISCIPLES and no GENTILES !!

Try CONTEXT FIRST ??

dan p
 

DAN P

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Did you forget that you said the JEWS were not in the body of Christ?

Pay better attention.


Hi and ONLY individual Jews can be placed into the Body , so the 12 apostles are out and the Nation of Israel is also out !!

You would know it from Gal 3:28 and 2 Cor 3:16 IF you can explain either of these verses mean ??

dan p
 

God's Truth

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Hi and ONLY individual Jews can be placed into the Body , so the 12 apostles are out and the Nation of Israel is also out !!

You would know it from Gal 3:28 and 2 Cor 3:16 IF you can explain either of these verses mean ??

dan p

Any and all Jews who did not have faith are CUT OFF and bound to the SAME PLACE AS THE GENTILES.

Romans 11:32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
 

Danoh

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Any and all Jews who did not have faith are CUT OFF and bound to the SAME PLACE AS THE GENTILES.

Romans 11:32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

DanP was rightly noting the difference between a Jew as an individual, and one as a member of the Nation of Israel.

Prior to Paul, God's dealings with Israel had been in His relationship with THEM as A NATION.

Spoiler

This is why, for example, one of their greatest Prophets: Daniel; was nevertheless under THEIR COLLECTIVE punishment AS A NATION with them; though he was, and remains; one of the greatest examples of faith towards God, in all of Scripture.

BOTH THEIR Blessing and their Curses, were AS A NATION - The ONLY Nation in ALL of history that can truly said to have been "ONE Nation...under...God."

THAT is what this question had been... about...

Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time RESTORE AGAIN the kingdom to ISRAEL?

One aspect of the answer to that having turned out to be a DELAY due to the following...

Acts 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. 7:52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: 7:53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

THAT is what THIS that follows, is ACTUALLY talking about TO THEM and ABOUT THEIR Promised restoration AGAIN of THEIR Kingdom...

Hebrews 2:1 Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip. 2:2 For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward; 2:3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; 2:4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will? 2:5 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection THE WORLD TO COME, whereof we speak.

And yes, I am well aware you will reject this...

It is what it is...let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind...and...every man shall bear his own burden..

You might do well to re-read Deuteronomy 28 - ISRAEL'S God given system Blessing and Cursing THEM AS A NATION - what befell ONE of them, befell on ALL of them - see also, Daniel's prayer based on this very Principle of Study, Daniel himself writes the CONTENT AND CONTEXT of BOTH his prayer in Daniel 9, and the Angel Gabriel's answer to him concerning ISRAEL AS A NATION, had been based on.
 

God's Truth

New member
DanP was rightly noting the difference between a Jew as an individual, and one as a member of the Nation of Israel.

Prior to Paul, God's dealings with Israel had been in His relationship with THEM as A NATION.

Spoiler

This is why, for example, one of their greatest Prophets: Daniel; was nevertheless under THEIR COLLECTIVE punishment AS A NATION with them; though he was, and remains; one of the greatest examples of faith towards God, in all of Scripture.

BOTH THEIR Blessing and their Curses, were AS A NATION - The ONLY Nation in ALL of history that can truly said to have been "ONE Nation...under...God."

THAT is what this question had been... about...

Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time RESTORE AGAIN the kingdom to ISRAEL?

One aspect of the answer to that having turned out to be a DELAY due to the following...

Acts 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. 7:52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: 7:53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

THAT is what THIS that follows, is ACTUALLY talking about TO THEM and ABOUT THEIR Promised restoration AGAIN of THEIR Kingdom...

Hebrews 2:1 Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip. 2:2 For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward; 2:3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; 2:4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will? 2:5 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection THE WORLD TO COME, whereof we speak.

And yes, I am well aware you will reject this...

It is what it is...let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind...and...every man shall bear his own burden..

You might do well to re-read Deuteronomy 28 - ISRAEL'S God given system Blessing and Cursing THEM AS A NATION - what befell ONE of them, befell on ALL of them - see also, Daniel's prayer based on this very Principle of Study, Daniel himself writes the CONTENT AND CONTEXT of BOTH his prayer in Daniel 9, and the Angel Gabriel's answer to him concerning ISRAEL AS A NATION, had been based on.

I don't read spoilers.

God's Word is right.

What do you think you proved?

God BOUND ALL to the SAME PLACE.

There are no special places for those who reject Christ, except HELL.
 

Danoh

New member
I don't read spoilers.

God's Word is right.

What do you think you proved?

God BOUND ALL to the SAME PLACE.

There are no special places for those who reject Christ, except HELL.

I put that in a "spoiler" out of consideration for others.

In other words, Where a post is long, I put it in a spoiler so it does not require one who has read it to have to go all the way past it to a next post, whenever they revisit the thread page.

Your problem?

You arrive at a false conclusion, and then run with it too soon.

Thus your "I don't read spoilers" :D
 
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