To be Redeemed and to be Saved

[beloved57]

To be Redeemed and to be Saved does signify the exact same thing, being saved. For instance these are saved who here praise God for being redeemed Rev 5:9
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

Also the redeemed are made new creatures Rev 5:10;Now how are they redeemed? Is it by their Faith in Christ? No its not, its solely because Christ was slain and shed His Blood, See again Rev 5:9; then read 1 Pet 1:18-19; or by the equivalent, by His Death being made accused Galatians 3:13. Being redeemed from the curse of the law is Salvation!

 

[Robert Pate]

To be Redeemed and to be Saved does signify the exact same thing, being saved. For instance these are saved who here praise God for being redeemed Rev 5:9
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

Also the redeemed are made new creatures Rev 5:10;Now how are they redeemed? Is it by their Faith in Christ? No its not, its solely because Christ was slain and shed His Blood, See again Rev 5:9; then read 1 Pet 1:18-19; or by the equivalent, by His Death being made accused Galatians 3:13. Being redeemed from the curse of the law is Salvation!

If you have been declared by God to be saved before the foundation of the world, then why would you need to be redeemed? You try to mix Calvinism with Christianity, it doesn't mix.

 

[Nanja]

To be Redeemed and to be Saved does signify the exact same thing, being saved. For instance these are saved who here praise God for being redeemed Rev 5:9
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

Also the redeemed are made new creatures Rev 5:10;Now how are they redeemed? Is it by their Faith in Christ? No its not, its solely because Christ was slain and shed His Blood, See again Rev 5:9; then read 1 Pet 1:18-19; or by the equivalent, by His Death being made accused Galatians 3:13. Being redeemed from the curse of the law is Salvation!

Christ Jesus as Surety Heb. 7:22 for all His Sheep, or Elect Eph. 1:4, was slain in the Mind and Purpose of God Eph. 3:11 before the foundation Rev. 13:8. And it was then, in Eternity, that they were redeemed or Saved; Justified by His Blood Rom. 5:9; Heb. 13:20, for Justification and Salvation are the same thing.


Heb. 9:12
Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

2 Tim. 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

 

[beloved57]

If you have been declared by God to be saved before the foundation of the world, then why would you need to be redeemed? You try to mix Calvinism with Christianity, it doesn't mix.

Dude, you believe that sinners Christ died and redeemed are still lost!

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[Robert Pate]

Christ Jesus as Surety Heb. 7:22 for all His Sheep, or Elect Eph. 1:4, was slain in the Mind and Purpose of God Eph. 3:11 before the foundation Rev. 13:8. And it was then, in Eternity, that they were redeemed or Saved; Justified by His Blood Rom. 5:9; Heb. 13:20, for Justification and Salvation are the same thing.


Heb. 9:12
Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

2 Tim. 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

You don't need any of the above.

You don't need to be called. You don't need to be redeemed. You don't need to be saved. You don't need any of that Christian stuff. Have you forgotten that you were saved before the foundation of the world? You don't need Jesus Christ. You don't need the cross. You don't need to be justified by faith. Why do you keep talking that Christian stuff, when you don't need it?

 

[Nick M]

If you have been declared by God to be saved before the foundation of the world, then why would you need to be redeemed?

Precisely.

 

[beloved57]

You don't need any of the above.

You don't need to be called. You don't need to be redeemed. You don't need to be saved. You don't need any of that Christian stuff. Have you forgotten that you were saved before the foundation of the world? You don't need Jesus Christ. You don't need the cross. You don't need to be justified by faith. Why do you keep talking that Christian stuff, when you don't need it?

Bunch of invalid comments!

 

[patrick jane]

To be Redeemed and to be Saved does signify the exact same thing, being saved. For instance these are saved who here praise God for being redeemed Rev 5:9
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

Also the redeemed are made new creatures Rev 5:10;Now how are they redeemed? Is it by their Faith in Christ? No its not, its solely because Christ was slain and shed His Blood, See again Rev 5:9; then read 1 Pet 1:18-19; or by the equivalent, by His Death being made accused Galatians 3:13. Being redeemed from the curse of the law is Salvation!

Not scriptural - rabbit trail

 

[beloved57]

Precisely.

Its an unlearned question. The scripture teaches both. So Gods Word of Truth is being called into question.

 

[patrick jane]

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[Eagles Wings]

If you have been declared by God to be saved before the foundation of the world, then why would you need to be redeemed? You try to mix Calvinism with Christianity, it doesn't mix.

I was just thinking this morning about the inheritance we receive as God's children.

He knows who will get the inheritance before they are born and then in our time and His time, He gives the gift.

The inheritance still has to be redeemed, however, and this is through Christ.

So, all of the bible points to the Lord, Jesus Christ, and His redeeming blood.

All of the bible points to His redeeming a people whom He has chosen from eternity.

This ought to humble all those who know the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, our Triune God.

 

[Nanja]

You don't need any of the above.

You don't need to be called. You don't need to be redeemed. You don't need to be saved. You don't need any of that Christian stuff. Have you forgotten that you were saved before the foundation of the world? You don't need Jesus Christ. You don't need the cross. You don't need to be justified by faith. Why do you keep talking that Christian stuff, when you don't need it?

Mat. 4:4
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.