beloved57
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In John 17:9 we read the words of Christ:
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
Now its clear that there is a world of men here that Christ doesnt pray for verses a world of people that He does pray for "them which thou hast given me; for they are thine."
Now for one to believe that this world Christ refuses to pray for is the same world that His Father so Loved and gave Him for in Jn 3:16 is lacking in understanding. This world in Jn 17:9 which Christ refuses to pray for, cannot be that world that through Him it might be saved Jn 3:17 and yet Christ refuses to pray for it.
Now many who want to deny and avoid this unpleasant truth that Christ refused to pray for the whole world in general, but only a remnant, they'll say that later Christ does pray for the whole world in general by citing Jn 17:20-21
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
However we know that cant be true because that would totally contradict and go against what Christ just had stated earlier in Jn 17:9 making Him a double mined man.
One way of understanding scripture is to never let one portion contradict another plainly stated portion.
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
Now its clear that there is a world of men here that Christ doesnt pray for verses a world of people that He does pray for "them which thou hast given me; for they are thine."
Now for one to believe that this world Christ refuses to pray for is the same world that His Father so Loved and gave Him for in Jn 3:16 is lacking in understanding. This world in Jn 17:9 which Christ refuses to pray for, cannot be that world that through Him it might be saved Jn 3:17 and yet Christ refuses to pray for it.
Now many who want to deny and avoid this unpleasant truth that Christ refused to pray for the whole world in general, but only a remnant, they'll say that later Christ does pray for the whole world in general by citing Jn 17:20-21
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
However we know that cant be true because that would totally contradict and go against what Christ just had stated earlier in Jn 17:9 making Him a double mined man.
One way of understanding scripture is to never let one portion contradict another plainly stated portion.
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