The Slaying of Reformed Theology (Calvinism)

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Eagles Wings said:
Gee, none of us have ever heard this, Meshak.

Be happy though, EE, thanked your post.
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The full truth is that he physically murdered no one. However, his testimony condemned one of his top theological rivals to death. You know his name well.

The rest of the murders occurred at the hands of Reformed who asserted heresy charges.

Puritans were notorious for torture methods that are beyond comprehension.

This is the fully disclosed truth.
 
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Evil.Eye.<(I)> said:
The full truth is that he physically murdered no one. However, his testimony condemned one of his top theological rivals to death. You know his name well.

The rest of the murders occurred at the hands of Reformed who asserted heresy charges.

Puritans were notorious for torture methods that are beyond comprehension.

This is the fully disclosed truth.
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mmm hmm
 
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I pray you have the fullness of faith in Christ Jesus.
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Jesus does not endorse murdering anyone.

What Calvin did was exactly like Pharisee.

Jesus says we know them by their fruit. Calvin practiced violent. that is his fruit.

Jesus says we know them by their fruit. Why do you esteem such violent man's teachings?
 
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here you go, friend:

Calvin's Judicial Murder of Michael Servetus
By John Thomas Didymus

Michael Servetus (Miguel Serveto 1511-1553) was an intellectual who made original contributions in several fields of human knowledge, the most notable of which was his description of the pulmonary circulation. Unfortunately, his productive life was cut short by his crossing paths with John Calvin, the famous leader of the protestant reformation in Switzerland.

Servetus was born in Spain to a family with Jewish blood links. He is said to have been very gifted in languages having studied Latin, Greek and Hebrew under Dominican friars. He attended the University of Toulouse, in France, and got a degree in law. After leaving school Servetus traveled in Germany and Italy. By 1530 he was in Basel where he worked as a proofreader. He read widely during this time and, in July 1531, he published his first work "On the Errors of the Trinity," and the following year another titled, "Dialogues on Trinity." He returned to Paris in 1536 to study medicine.

In his two books, Servetus rejected the Church doctrine of the Trinity. He believed that it was not a biblical doctrine. He urged a return to what he considered the simplicity of the Gospels, for in his views, the Trinity doctrine had been influenced by the pagan philosophies of the Greeks.

Servetus found no sympathy in Europe both from Catholics and Protestants alike who believed in the Trinity and considered all Unitarians heretics. Servetus started a medical practice near Lyon and practiced for about fifteen years. He was personal physician to some important personalities. During this time he also published two new works on Ptolemy's Geography. Servetus persisted in his anti-Trinitarian beliefs and in 1553 he published a work which criticized John Calvin's doctrine of predestination. Calvin considered this work a personal attack on him. Servetus had been publishing under a pen name for several years but he was soon corresponding openly with Calvin.

Calvin, at first, made a show of tolerating the "heretic," but he soon ran out of patience and stopped communicating with him. Servetus unwisely persisted in sending letters to Calvin and soon Calvin had grown impatient with what he considered Servetus' impertinent tone

A friend of Calvin's, in 1553, denounced Servetus as heretic in Vienna, and Servetus was held for questioning by the French inquisitor. He was released for lack of evidence. However, the letters that Servetus had sent to Calvin were soon produced as evidence and Servetus was again arrested by the Roman Catholic authorities and imprisoned. He managed to escaped from prison but was convicted of heresy and sentenced to be burned to death. The Catholic authorities burned his books and effigy in his absence.

Why Servetus returned to Geneva after he had escaped death in the hands of the Catholics remains a mystery to this day. But on August 13, 1553, he was present at a sermon by Calvin in Geneva. He was arrested and again sent to prison. Servetus might have thought that Calvin, a protestant, would be unwilling to have him condemned to death, but it turned out that he had been mistaken in his assessment of Calvin's pious personality. He was condemned for spreading heretical doctrines. Servetus had only very few supporters: the party of Libertines who were opposed to his execution but enjoyed very little support.

Servetus was sentenced to death on 27 October 1553. He was burned at the stake after the Geneva Council rejected Calvin's request that he be decapitated rather than burned at the stake.

Calvin's position on Servetus was made plain throughout the affair. He wanted nothing short of the death of the man who had dared raise his opinions against his. Calvin revealed a personality trait typical of men imbued with a deep sense of service to God in matters of high principles which are thought to absolve the "man of God" of all humane considerations. In Calvin's words: "...we spare not kin, nor blood of any, and disdain all humanity when the matter is to fight for God's glory."

The writer JohnThomas Didymus is the author of "Confessions of God: The Gospel According to St. JohnThomas Didymus." He manages a blog at
http://www.johnthomasdidymus.blogspot.com/ and a website at http://www.resurrectionconspiracy.com/

Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/?Calvins-Judicial-Murder-of-Michael-Servetus&id=4280059
Calvin's Judicial Murder of Michael Servetus
 
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meshak said:
Jesus does not endorse murdering anyone.

What Calvin did was exactly like Pharisee.

Jesus says we know them by their fruit. Calvin practiced violent. that is his fruit.

Jesus says we know them by their fruit. Why do you esteem such violent man's teachings?
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[MENTION=13959]meshak[/MENTION],

I appreciate your focus, but I'm not here to slander John Calvin. I simply want to point out over the course of this OP that many people place there faith in doctrines of men. You are correct that I support literal Israel. I respect you as my sibling in Christ, though we disagree.
 
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here you go, friend:

Calvin's Judicial Murder of Michael Servetus
By John Thomas Didymus

Michael Servetus (Miguel Serveto 1511-1553) was an intellectual who made original contributions in several fields of human knowledge, the most notable of which was his description of the pulmonary circulation. Unfortunately, his productive life was cut short by his crossing paths with John Calvin, the famous leader of the protestant reformation in Switzerland.

Servetus was born in Spain to a family with Jewish blood links. He is said to have been very gifted in languages having studied Latin, Greek and Hebrew under Dominican friars. He attended the University of Toulouse, in France, and got a degree in law. After leaving school Servetus traveled in Germany and Italy. By 1530 he was in Basel where he worked as a proofreader. He read widely during this time and, in July 1531, he published his first work "On the Errors of the Trinity," and the following year another titled, "Dialogues on Trinity." He returned to Paris in 1536 to study medicine.

In his two books, Servetus rejected the Church doctrine of the Trinity. He believed that it was not a biblical doctrine. He urged a return to what he considered the simplicity of the Gospels, for in his views, the Trinity doctrine had been influenced by the pagan philosophies of the Greeks.

Servetus found no sympathy in Europe both from Catholics and Protestants alike who believed in the Trinity and considered all Unitarians heretics. Servetus started a medical practice near Lyon and practiced for about fifteen years. He was personal physician to some important personalities. During this time he also published two new works on Ptolemy's Geography. Servetus persisted in his anti-Trinitarian beliefs and in 1553 he published a work which criticized John Calvin's doctrine of predestination. Calvin considered this work a personal attack on him. Servetus had been publishing under a pen name for several years but he was soon corresponding openly with Calvin.

Calvin, at first, made a show of tolerating the "heretic," but he soon ran out of patience and stopped communicating with him. Servetus unwisely persisted in sending letters to Calvin and soon Calvin had grown impatient with what he considered Servetus' impertinent tone

A friend of Calvin's, in 1553, denounced Servetus as heretic in Vienna, and Servetus was held for questioning by the French inquisitor. He was released for lack of evidence. However, the letters that Servetus had sent to Calvin were soon produced as evidence and Servetus was again arrested by the Roman Catholic authorities and imprisoned. He managed to escaped from prison but was convicted of heresy and sentenced to be burned to death. The Catholic authorities burned his books and effigy in his absence.

Why Servetus returned to Geneva after he had escaped death in the hands of the Catholics remains a mystery to this day. But on August 13, 1553, he was present at a sermon by Calvin in Geneva. He was arrested and again sent to prison. Servetus might have thought that Calvin, a protestant, would be unwilling to have him condemned to death, but it turned out that he had been mistaken in his assessment of Calvin's pious personality. He was condemned for spreading heretical doctrines. Servetus had only very few supporters: the party of Libertines who were opposed to his execution but enjoyed very little support.

Servetus was sentenced to death on 27 October 1553. He was burned at the stake after the Geneva Council rejected Calvin's request that he be decapitated rather than burned at the stake.

Calvin's position on Servetus was made plain throughout the affair. He wanted nothing short of the death of the man who had dared raise his opinions against his. Calvin revealed a personality trait typical of men imbued with a deep sense of service to God in matters of high principles which are thought to absolve the "man of God" of all humane considerations. In Calvin's words: "...we spare not kin, nor blood of any, and disdain all humanity when the matter is to fight for God's glory."

The writer JohnThomas Didymus is the author of "Confessions of God: The Gospel According to St. JohnThomas Didymus." He manages a blog at
http://www.johnthomasdidymus.blogspot.com/ and a website at http://www.resurrectionconspiracy.com/

Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/?Calvins-Judicial-Murder-of-Michael-Servetus&id=4280059
Calvin's Judicial Murder of Michael Servetus
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I had no intention of letting that cat out of the bag, but.....

Meeeeeooooooow

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#Frenemy [MENTION=13959]meshak[/MENTION] brings the "slaying" in the title of the OP to new levels!
 
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John Calvin authorized the prosecution of priests who were spreading heresy and sin in Geneva. He made a clear initiative to extinguish what the Catholic Church excused for it's own gain, who were yet prosecuting others for the same exact things.

People want to call it 'murder' because they fail to comprehend that by today's standards, heretics and corrupted churches don't have as much influence as they did five centuries ago.

They believe in a god who called His people to decimate every man, woman, child, and beast within a tribe, and yet clutch their pearls when hearing about the Catholic Church suffered by an iconoclast.

You can't make this stuff up- these people are as contradictory as they come :rolleyes:
 
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Evening Tally

@Brother Ducky remains the only Calvinist representative that has been up front and answered apart from doctrine. He only cited doctrine when asked, and did so honestly, but has yet to answer the last question asked of him.

I merely assert this entire OP's discussion to support my statement.
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What I truly did like about your OP is LOVE, and I do not know if some of that has been changed since last I looked you appear to have been forced into changing some of the post: but LOVE is what is missing from Calvinism and Reform, it isn't even found in "TULIP" for goodness sake. Calvinism and Reform are essentially over and done with in three simple little words: "GOD IS LOVE", not "God has some love", not "God loves the elect", nope, but rather "GOD IS LOVE" as follows:

1 John 4:6-21 ASV
6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he who is not of God heareth us not. By this we know the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is begotten of God, and knoweth God.
8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
9 Herein was the love of God manifested in us, that God hath sent his only begotten Son into the world that we might live through him.
10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.
12 No man hath beheld God at any time: if we love one another, God abideth in us, and his love is perfected in us:
13 hereby we know that we abide in him and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
14 And we have beheld and bear witness that the Father hath sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God abideth in him, and he in God.
16 And we know and have believed the love which God hath in us. God is love; and he that abideth in love abideth in God, and God abideth in him.
17 Herein is love made perfect with us, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as he is, even so are we in this world.
18 There is no fear in love: but perfect love casteth out fear, because fear hath punishment; and he that feareth is not made perfect in love.
19 We love, because he first loved us.
20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, cannot love God whom he hath not seen.
21 And this commandment have we from him, that he who loveth God love his brother also.

And if GOD IS LOVE then what alternate universe does a man have to be from to come up with the psychopathic notion that LOVE would predestine any human being to eternal conscious torment when that same human being did not have a freewill so as to choose that condition to begin with? HOW can LOVE create LIFE and condemn it to HELL beforehand just because it is pleasing? The very notion is oxymoronic because LOVE does no such thing: it is contrary to the very definition of LOVE which GOD IS. :)
 
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What I truly did like about your OP is LOVE, and I do not know if some of that has been changed since last I looked you appear to have been forced into changing some of the post: but LOVE is what is missing from Calvinism and Reform, it isn't even found in "TULIP" for goodness sake. Calvinism and Reform are essentially over and done with in three simple little words: "GOD IS LOVE", not "God has some love", not "God loves the elect", nope, but rather "GOD IS LOVE" as follows:

1 John 4:6-21 ASV
6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he who is not of God heareth us not. By this we know the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is begotten of God, and knoweth God.
8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
9 Herein was the love of God manifested in us, that God hath sent his only begotten Son into the world that we might live through him.
10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.
12 No man hath beheld God at any time: if we love one another, God abideth in us, and his love is perfected in us:
13 hereby we know that we abide in him and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
14 And we have beheld and bear witness that the Father hath sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God abideth in him, and he in God.
16 And we know and have believed the love which God hath in us. God is love; and he that abideth in love abideth in God, and God abideth in him.
17 Herein is love made perfect with us, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as he is, even so are we in this world.
18 There is no fear in love: but perfect love casteth out fear, because fear hath punishment; and he that feareth is not made perfect in love.
19 We love, because he first loved us.
20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, cannot love God whom he hath not seen.
21 And this commandment have we from him, that he who loveth God love his brother also.

And if GOD IS LOVE then what alternate universe does a man have to be from to come up with the psychopathic notion that LOVE would predestine any human being to eternal conscious torment when that same human being did not have a freewill so as to choose that condition to begin with? HOW can LOVE create LIFE and condemn it to HELL beforehand just because it is pleasing? The very notion is oxymoronic because LOVE does no such thing: it is contrary to the very definition of LOVE which GOD IS. :)
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[MENTION=17195]daqq[/MENTION],

We could disagree at all points of scripture, but you have zeroed in on the most important part of the OP and the most important part of scripture. Thank you!

It is still there!

Amen... to infinity!
 
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