The Populist Extreme

Danoh

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What is it that keeps the Populist extremist from seeing his or her hypocrisy for what is?

Perhaps the following account will shed some light on this issue.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/24/opinion/i-loved-my-grandmother-but-she-was-a-nazi.html?_r=0

I Loved My Grandmother. But She Was a Nazi.

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The author’s grandmother, with three of her children, around 1943.

By JESSICA SHATTUCK
MARCH 24, 2017

My grandparents were Nazis. It took me until recently to be able to say — or write — this. I used to think of and refer to them as “ordinary Germans,” as if that was a distinct and morally neutral category. But like many “ordinary Germans,” they were members of the Nazi Party — they joined in 1937, before it was mandatory.

My grandmother, who lived to be almost 100, was not, as I knew her, xenophobic or anti-Semitic; she did not seem temperamentally suited to hate. Understanding why and how this woman I knew and loved was swept up in a movement that became synonymous with evil has been, for me, a lifelong question.

She and my grandfather grew up in a working-class suburb of industrial Dortmund, where unemployment was rife; it had been occupied by the French after World War I. They joined the Nazi Party to be youth leaders in an agricultural education program called the Landjahr, or “year on the land,” in which teenagers got agricultural training. My grandmother always maintained that she had joined the Nazis as an “idealist” drawn to the vision of rebuilding Germany, returning to a simpler time and, perversely, promoting equality.

In the Landjahr, sons and daughters of factory workers would live and work side by side with sons and daughters of aristocrats and wealthy industrialists. She liked the idea of returning to “traditional” German life, away from the confusing push and pull of a global economy. Through research, I understand the Landjahr program was part of Hitler’s larger “Blut und Boden” (“blood and soil”) vision of making Germany a racially pure, agrarian society. The “racially pure” part was not something my grandmother ever mentioned.

“We didn’t know” was a kind of mantra for her on the long walks we took when I visited her at the farm she lived on, not far from where she grew up. “But didn’t you hear what Hitler was saying?” I would ask, grappling with the moral paradox of a loving grandmother who had been a Nazi.

My grandmother would shrug and answer something like, “He said a lot of things — I didn’t listen to all of them.” Didn’t she see Jews being rounded up and taken away, or at a minimum, harassed by the police? No, she maintained, not in the countryside where she lived. And anyway, she was focused on her own problems, on making ends meet and, once the war began, protecting her children.

This insistence on her own ignorance was an excuse, and I didn’t and still don’t accept it. It is impossible that she wouldn’t have known of Hitler’s virulent anti-Semitism and the Nazis’ objective of ousting Jews, whom Hitler had falsely (but successfully) linked to a Bolshevik terrorist threat. But did she follow what she knew of Hitler’s plan to its horrific, unimaginable end? In the late 1930s there was talk of sending Jews to Madagascar and to “settlements” in the east. But even if she believed this, why wasn’t she appalled at the injustice? At the dangerous stripping of rights?

In German there are two words for knowing: “wissen,” which is associated with wisdom and learning, and “kennen,” which is like being acquainted.

Acquaintance is, by definition, a surface understanding, susceptible to manipulation. When you are “acquainted with” something it’s much easier to see only part of the whole. Especially if the other half of what you hear and see is appealing. Hitler brought back jobs and opportunity, restored national pride and told seductive, simplifying lies; in the beginning, my grandmother, like many Germans, believed, for instance, that Germany’s war against Poland was begun in self-defense. (In 1939, Nazi operatives donned Polish Army uniforms and staged a takeover of a German radio station at Gleiwitz that Hitler then held up as an act of provocation by the Poles.)

“But what did you think when you started hearing the rumors about concentration camps?” I would press her. “Didn’t you ever listen to the foreign news reports?”

“Allied propaganda” was my grandmother’s answer. That’s what Hitler said it was. And she, like many Germans, trusted him. Her trust, apparently, relieved her of the need to understand.

How do I square the loving grandmother I knew until her death, in 2011, with this person? I have often worried that my attempt to understand the choices she made — and didn’t make — might be confused with an attempt to justify or forgive. But for me it is the only way I know to confront the past and take responsibility.

My grandmother heard what she wanted from a leader who promised simple answers to complicated questions. She chose not to hear and see the monstrous sum those answers added up to. And she lived the rest of her life with the knowledge of her indefensible complicity.

But in her willingness to talk about a subject few members of her generation would, she taught me the vital importance of knowing better.
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Jessica Shattuck is the author of the novels “The Hazards of Good Breeding” and the forthcoming “The Women in the Castle.”
 

glorydaz

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Trump is like Hitler?

Every red-blooded, patriotic, American citizen is a Nazi according to the liberals. They can't even see that they have been drinking the koolaid...and that THEY are the ones being indoctrinated. I'm thinking Danoh must have had a tad more than his share....probably volunteered as a taste tester. :chuckle:
 

Danoh

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Trump is like Hitler?

I wouldn't go that far.

Trump obviously used Hitler's exact rhetoric to get himself into office that Hitler used after he was in office; but that was just Trump pulling the wool over his supporter's eyes in hopes it would get him into office.

He is a sociopath - but not in the mold of say, Hitler's sociapathy any more than Al Capon's sociapathy had been, say; Jeffrey Dahmer's.

These kinds of things have varying degrees of important differences.

Besides, since the 60's our country no longer has in place the dynamic that allowed an Adolph to eventually end up a Hitler.

You extremist Rightests have ever been finger pointing that kind of direction on the part of the Liberals; but that is just your overblown nonsense; as usual.

Our country simply no longer has the required dynamic in place that would allow for one or another form of a tyranny as happened in Germany.

Trump's Ocare reform loss is an example of this - his "or else" ultimatum blew up in his face, very nicely.

Strangely, the populist make America White Again stupidity, is the very dynamic that WOULD allow such a direction.

The tyranny of the South was a very ugly example of this fact.

The very fact that we are such a huge, ever continuing melting pot of different people - the very basis of our country - continually comprised of people who often come from countries where such tyranny is not only possible, but often the reality they are fleeing from, is a huge factor in keeping such a dynamic from developing here.

You extremists simply have no future.

Your very dynamic has been the very basis of our horrible past as a country.

Trump?

He is more along the line of your standard Wall Street "Gordon Gecko" crook...on steroids :D
 

Danoh

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Yep, there is still so much sobbing going on among the die hard libs. The tissue stocks must be way up.

:rotfl:

You poor extremists - you actually took my celebratory rant - that America will never return to your horrid past - as sobbing.

:rotfl:
 
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