The Pope May Not Be Infallible After All

[serpentdove]

[The Pope May Not Be Infallible After All | Proclaiming the Gospel Ministries] linger: "Cardinal Burke says if Pope Francis won't clarify a 'serious error," the Cardinals must make a 'formal act of correction.' It appears there is a plan for a formal statement against Francis for heresy or at least deviation from the Faith. The Cardinals are following the proper canonical process. As one writer noted, "The step of making a 'formal act of correction' would be the preliminary step, according to classical theology and Church discipline, of declaring someone - anyone - a formal heretic."

This is an earth-shaking development! It is clear that the Cardinals' intention is to safeguard the Catholic Faith, not simply to accuse anyone of heresy. What happens if the pope does not respond and fails to give the clarification of the Church's teaching? Cardinal Burke said, "Then we would have to address that situation. There is, in the Tradition of the Church, the practice of correction of the Roman Pontiff. It is something that is clearly quite rare. But if there is no response to these questions, then it would be a question of taking a formal act of correction of a serious error." Read more." ProGospel.org

 

[Crucible]

Antipopes have come and gone plenty, it's simply been a long time since the last one, which was in the 15th Century.
Every century then and before, there has been antipopes.

So, nothing new really.
If you are going to be obnoxiously anti-Catholic, at least know some history

 

[serpentdove]

Well what is the issue?...

"As the head of the Roman Catholic Church, the pope is often called the “Holy Father” and the “Vicar of Christ”—names and roles that only apply to God. He claims the ability to speak ex cathedra, exercising Godlike infallibility to add to and augment Scripture (Revelation 22:18). He wields unbiblical, unholy authority over his followers, usurping the headship of Christ and perverting the work of the Holy Spirit..." Full text: Exposing the Heresies of The Catholic Church linger:

 

[Crucible]

Being Reformed, I'm not defending the Roman papacy, I'm simply defending reality.
Let that suffice as the litmus for you ultra paranoid anti-Catholics lain:

Many of you need a lesson, or perhaps a reminder, of how the Middle Ages worked- particularly when it came to the feudal system and why it ever existed in the first place.
The direct roots of the feudal structure is in both Christianity and Islam because it has direct inspiration with Abrahamic belief- God places people in power and wields them to His purpose. They were respected not by their person, but by their title- it is why one would refer to a king as 'your highness'.
This still exists with the Catholic Church, in which the pope is respected as the high priest whom God put in charge to use at His will.

The Catholic Church believes that the Spirit moves through the priests and that it is ultimately God who chooses the Pope. Furthermore, infallibility is deduced from the presumed notion of their succession being valid and by God's will- as God after all said that Hell will not prevail over the church retaining that succession.

This is in part a big reason why contemporary, heterodox Christians make a bad mistake in denouncing Calvinism- the reformed approach addressed the catholic spirit of God and retained a proper structure- but these other people have completely shut themselves off from reality to go chase after presumptions and legal fictions of scripture.

 

[serpentdove]

...Every century then and before, there has been antipopes...

How's that Galileo thing workin' out for ya? :smokie:

See:

Papal Infallibility: The Catholic-Protestant Debate over Papal Infallibility

Galileo ~ Indigo Girls

 

[Crucible]

The reality of Galileo is not what people have painted him as- he's venerated as the 'father of modern science', and as this innocent man persecuted by the Church- that is not really the case.

Galileo was blatantly heretical and the Church actually gave him many years and many chances to provide evidence in his extreme ideas- he was in fact most of the time wrong, and it only happened that he managed to be right by the time the Church got tired of it and put him on house arrest- so he couldn't go spread around heterodox notions.

That's not a story of persecution. A scientist may be fond of the fact that he was intuitive enough to want to know more than what the Church had taught on cosmological matters, but that's as far as that goes

 

[serpentdove]

...Galileo was blatantly heretical and the Church actually gave him many years and many chances to provide evidence in his extreme ideas...

Ro 14:4

"...The last period is known as the Roman Inquisition, and it was established in 1542 when Pope Paul III established the Holy Office as the final court of appeals in all trials of heresy. This group was made up of cardinals and other officials whose task was to maintain and defend the doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church. This group played an important role in the Counter-Reformation, and it was also this body that condemned Galileo for “grave suspicion of heresy” and banned all of his works in 1633 for teaching that the sun was the center of the universe and that the earth revolved around it. In 1965, Pope Paul VI reorganized the Holy Office and renamed it as the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, and it remains in effect today." Full text: What were the Inquisitions

Related:

No Idolatry & False Teaching

 

[Crucible]

The Reformists spoke against scientific heresy as well, most notably John Calvin. Galileo was born the same year Calvin passed away, and so the Reformation had more than laid it's roots- they didn't defend Galileo anymore than Roman Catholics, and did their share of burning people at the stake as well.

Simply put, singling out the Catholic Church doesn't make one's case. You all sound like a bunch of self-righteous loons- it was the Late Ages, what do you do :idunno:
Respecting history shows good character, which sums up pretty well how I feel about those as yourself :wave:

 

[serpentdove]

The Reformists...did their share of burning people at the stake as well.

:dizzy: That's on you and your ilk (Jn 10:10, Re 18:4). linger:

See:

Reformation Timeline

 

[Crucible]

:dizzy: That's on you and your ilk (Jn 10:10, Re 18:4). linger:

See:

Reformation Timeline

Nah
You would have been in line with the rest of the Christians of the time. You are just foolish is all, taking the world you live in now for granted and looking at the past as if you're better than them.

Nothing more than sellouts, really. It's atheists who started the qualms and you all condemned your own religious history rather than edify them on it.

 

[Crucible]

Good grief, not the Galileo thing,,,every Christian forum I've been on over the years, some whiz-bang protestant or anti Catholic brings up this poor Italian guy.

*BUMP*

Galileo was blatantly heretical and the Church actually gave him many years and many chances to provide evidence in his extreme ideas- he was in fact most of the time wrong, and it only happened that he managed to be right by the time the Church got tired of it and put him on house arrest- so he couldn't go spread around heterodox notions.

That's not a story of persecution.

 

[serpentdove]

[Murders of Jews and Christians, that's on you and your ilk (Jn 10:10, Re 18:4). linger: See: Reformation Timeline] Nah...

linger: You'd like to blame the victims of your crimes? When your city burns :listen: you'll be crying like a little girl :Whipsnap: (Re 18:18) and I'll be doing a snoopy dance (Re 18:20).

 

[Crucible]

linger: You'd like to blame the victims of your crimes? When your city burns :listen: you'll be crying like a little girl :Whipsnap: (Re 18:18) and I'll be doing a snoopy dance (Re 18:20).

The Old Law dictated that a person be stoned to death for using YHWH in vain, and you're going to be up in arms about dissidents corrupting Christianity, with full knowledge of the consequence- and whom supported such penalty of others- getting the shaft?

You should put a cap on your obnoxious self-righteousness and try to to deduce some degree of reality.

And as well, you'll be happy to see people being burnt to a crisp- note the irony in your standing, moron

 

[serpentdove]

[linger: Re 18:18

] ...[Y]ou'll be happy to see people being burnt to a crisp...

opcorn: God is just Re 18:20, Rom. 2:5–8 :burnlib:

 

[serpentdove]

As soon as an anti Catholic gets stuck, changes the topic, follows non sequiturs, name-calls or distorts some biblical phrase————same old worn-out, hackneyed stuff.

Are you linger: a CathOlic? :freak: