The Mark Of Forgiveness

[CherubRam]

[FONT=&quot]The Mark Of Forgiveness.[/FONT]

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[FONT=&quot]The mark of forgiveness was a single charcoal line placed upon the forehead; it was given by the priest to let the people know that the person had been forgiven. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The pole Moses made to hang the serpent was not a cross either, it was a single pole. The charcoal mark is symbolic of that pole Moses made. Christ was hung on a single pole, not a cross.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Ezekiel 9:4[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]and said to him, “Go throughout the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it.”[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Ezekiel 9:6[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Slaughter the old men, the young men and women, the mothers and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark. Begin at my sanctuary.” So they began with the old men who were in front of the temple.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]The word for mark is Tau, the last letter of the Hebrew alphabet. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]This is the Hebrew word for cross: לַחֲצוֹת [/FONT]
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[meshak]

I am sure you have the mark of forgiveness from the NT too

 

[Tambora]

The mark of forgiveness was a single charcoal line placed upon the forehead;

Scripture please.

 

[Tambora]

I am sure you have the mark of forgiveness from the NT too

I was under the impression that you believe only GOD can know a person's heart.
Have you changed you mind on that?

 

[jamie]

Christ was hung on a single pole, not a cross.

Literary sources giving insight into the history of crucifixion indicate that Roman crucifixion methods had the condemned person carry to the execution site only the crossbar. Wood was scarce and the vertical pole was kept stationary and used repeatedly. Below, in “New Analysis of the Crucified Man,” Hershel Shanks concludes that crucifixion in antiquity involved death by asphyxiation, not death by nail piercing.

http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/...on-methods-reveal-the-history-of-crucifixion/​

 

[CherubRam]

Scripture please.

[FONT=&quot]Ezekiel 9:4
and said to him, “Go throughout the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it.”

Ezekiel 9:6
Slaughter the old men, the young men and women, the mothers and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark. Begin at my sanctuary.” So they began with the old men who were in front of the temple.[/FONT]

 

[CherubRam]

[FONT=&quot]Deuteronomy 21:23

you must not leave the body hanging on the pole overnight. Be sure to bury it that same day, because anyone who is hung on a pole is under God’s curse. You must not desecrate the land the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance.


1 Corinthians 1:23. NIV

23 but we preach Christ (crucified / staked out) a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles,


Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”


Acts 5:30

The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.


Acts 10:39

And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:[/FONT]

 

[CherubRam]

[FONT=&quot]Origin of the word crux.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] Latin for: stake, scaffold, or cross, used in executions or torment.

The English term "cross" is derived from the Latin word crux. From about 1635 to 1645 AD.


Labarum

An upright pole with cross section to display a standard such as a flag, banner, or emblem.


Word Origin

From Late Latin, and of obscure origin

This standard was known by the name "labarum"—a word the etymology of which is very uncertain. The etymology of the word is unclear. Some derive it from Latin /labāre/ "to totter, or to waver." The labarum was also used to hold the ancient Babylonian sky-god emblem.


Patibulum

It is a establish fact that the two-beamed cross was in existence in the time of Yahshua, and that the word crux was used to refer to it. The crux was composed of two main pieces: The stipes, which is the upright pole, and the patibulum attached to it. The patibulum is the cross beam.


Stipe

Stipe is an upright support.

From Latin stipes "log, post, tree trunk"


Stauros

Stauros (σταυρός) is the Greek word for stake or post.[/FONT]

 

[CherubRam]

[FONT=&quot]Dr. Bullinger, The Companion Bible, appx. 162 states, "crosses were used as symbols of the Babylonian Sun-god...It should be stated that Constantine was a Sun-god worshipper...The evidence is thus complete, that the Lord was put to death upon and upright stake, and not on two pieces of timber placed at any angle."

Rev. Alexander Hislop, The Two Babylons, pp. 197-205, frankly calls the cross "this Pagan symbol...the Tau, the sign of the cross, the indisputable sign of Tammuz, the false Messiah...the mystic Tau of the Chaldeans (Babylonians) and Egyptians--the true original form of the letter T--the initial of the name of Tammus...the Babylonian cross was the recognized emblem of Tammuz."

In the Encyclopedia Britannica, 11th edition, vol. 14, p. 273, we read, "In the Egyptian churches the cross was a pagan symbol of life borrowed by the Christians and interpreted in the pagan manner." Jacob Grimm, in his Deutsche Mythologie, says that the Teutonic (Germanic) tribes had their idol Thor, symbolised by a hammer, while the Roman Christians had their crux (cross). It was thus somewhat easier for the Teutons to accept the Roman cross.

Greek dictionaries, lexicons and other study books also declare the primary meaning of stauros to be an upright pale, pole or stake. The secondary meaning of "cross" is admitted by them to be a "later" rendering. At least two of them do not even mention "cross," and only render the meaning as "pole or stake." In spite of this strong evidence and proof that the word stauos should have been translated "stake," and the verb stauroo to have been translated "impale," almost all the common versions of the Scriptures persist with the Latin Vulgate's crux (cross), a "later" rendering of the Greek stauros.[/FONT]

 

[CherubRam]

In the book of Johannes Geffcken, The Last Days of Greco-Roman Paganism. p. 319, "that even after 314 A.D. the coins of Constantine show an even-armed cross as a symbol for the Sun-god."

 

[jamie]

Dr. Bullinger, The Companion Bible, appx. 162 states, "crosses were used as symbols of the Babylonian Sun-god...It should be stated that Constantine was a Sun-god worshipper...The evidence is thus complete, that the Lord was put to death upon and upright stake, and not on two pieces of timber placed at any angle."

Good point. Paul used the word "tree" which would suggest there was a branch for the Branch.

I wonder how the Biblical Archeological Society could be so mistaken.

Also, I wonder if someone crucified on a pole would be any more dead than if a crossbeam was used.

Surely, the Romans would not have used a Latin cross.

And surely the paleo-hebrew alphabet did not use the symbol of a cross for the letter tau.

 

[CherubRam]

Good point. Paul used the word "tree" which would suggest there was a branch for the Branch.

I wonder how the Biblical Archeological Society could be so mistaken.

Also, I wonder if someone crucified on a pole would be any more dead than if a crossbeam was used.

Surely, the Romans would not have used a Latin cross.

And surely the paleo-hebrew alphabet did not use the symbol of a cross for the letter tau.

Why do bible translators give us misleading info, I do not know? Maybe they have Pagan beliefs they want to join to scriptures. I have met Pagans who pretended to be Christians, and they did support Paganism being joined to Christianity.
About the only time Romans would use a cross for a sacrifice, it would be to honor the sun god. The easiest way to hang a person is on a pole, that is how most people were hanged.

 

[jamie]

Latin cross
n.
A cross with a shorter horizontal bar intersecting a longer vertical bar above the midpoint.

American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2016 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Latin+cross​

 

[CherubRam]

Latin cross
n.
A cross with a shorter horizontal bar intersecting a longer vertical bar above the midpoint.

American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2016 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Latin+cross​

The word stauros always meant an upright pale, pole or stake, it never meant cross. The word (Cross) was added do to the Catholics insistence.

 

[CherubRam]

The New Strong's Concise Concordance & Vine's Concise Dictionary of the Bible states that the meaning of "stauros (4716) denotes, primarily , "an upright pale or stake." On such malefactors were nailed for execution. Both the noun and the verb stauroo, "to fasten to a stake or pale," are originally to be distinguished from the ecclesiastical form of a two beamed "cross." The shape of the latter had its origin in ancient Chaldea, and was used as the symbol of the god Tammuz (being in the shape of the mystic Tau, the initial of his name) in that country and in adjacent lands, including Egypt. By the middle of the 3rd cent. A.D. the churches had either departed from, or had travestied, certain doctrines of the Christian faith. In order to increase the prestige of the apostate ecclesiastical system pagans were received into the churches apart from regeneration by faith, and were permitted largely to retain their pagan signs and symbols. Hence the Tau or T, in its most frequent form, with the cross-piece lowered, was adopted to stand for the "cross" of Christ."(Vine's Concise Dictionary of the Bible, pg 75, 1999 edition)

 

[CherubRam]

"Cross" and "Crucify" are nowhere to be found in the Greek New Testament.