The Legal Aspect of Salvation

Robert Pate

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God's law is the criteria for the human race. If you violate God's law there is a penalty that you must pay. "The wages of sin is death" Romans 6:23. Spiritual death, which means eternal separation from God. Paul said that the whole world stands guilty before God, Romans 3:19, and then he said, "All have sinned and come short of the glory of God" Romans 3:23.

We all stand guilty in God's court of law.

How then can we be saved? The first thing that we need to do is to plead guilty. If you claim to be innocent then you will be tried according to God's law and found to be a sinner and condemned, because there is none righteous, no, not one, Romans 3:10.

If you plead guilty the court can now show you mercy. "God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance" 2 Peter 3:9. Repentance is part of your plea deal, no repentance no pardon. You will be required to show remorse for breaking God's Holy Law.

You are not off of the hook yet. God's court requires that someone who is not a sinner atone for your sins. There is a penalty for your sins that must be paid. The only one in God's court that is without sin is Jesus Christ, who has atoned not only for your sins, but the sins of the whole world,1 John 2:2. You must receive Christ's atonement for your sins or you will not be pardoned.

You are still not off of the hook. Restitution must be made for violating God's Holy Law. Someone who is without sin must restore God's broken law. They must do this in your name and on your behalf, just like you did it yourself. God's court has appointed Jesus Christ to do this for you, Colossians 2:14.

Because of what Jesus Christ has done for you, you can now stand before God's court as justified. God must see you as perfect and complete in his Son Jesus Christ, Colossians 2:10. When God sees you in Jesus Christ you will receive a full pardon and will now be welcomed into heaven and eternal life.
 

Robert Pate

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Predestinationism is illegal.

God cannot appoint some one to eternal if they have not been justified by Jesus Christ.

To be justified by Jesus Christ means that you must call on Christ to save you.

Many Calvinist have never called on Christ to save them because they believe that they have been predestinated.
 

Bradley D

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However, the word predestined is in the Bible and has to be dealt with. What is your interpretation? To ignore it solves nothing.

"he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will--" (Eph. 1:5)
 

Totton Linnet

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However, the word predestined is in the Bible and has to be dealt with. What is your interpretation? To ignore it solves nothing.

"he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will--" (Eph. 1:5)

Good for you
 

Robert Pate

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However, the word predestined is in the Bible and has to be dealt with. What is your interpretation? To ignore it solves nothing.

"he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will--" (Eph. 1:5)

I don't have a problem with the word pedestination.

There is no scripture that says anyone has been predestinated to heaven or to hell.
 

Bradley D

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I agree. I believe God's purpose for the creation and us on earth was predestined. However, the fall of Adam and Eve through free will had interrupted God's purpose. That purpose will be fulfilled. In the OT God set up the holy nation of Israel. But they failed. But the elect of the OT the "chosen people" had an extended scope. The elect now embraces Christian believers as well. "God has ordained (decreed) everything in salvation history with Christ as the goal" (TDNT). It was Christ who was predestined (Acts 2:23).

To try to say the God predestined people to heaven or hell is a very narrow view. It is wearing blinders/ignoring the rest of scripture. It does not include the scripture, such as the well known John 3:16, that opens it's arms to all who would believe.
 

chair

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God's law is the criteria for the human race. If you violate God's law there is a penalty that you must pay. "The wages of sin is death" Romans 6:23. ...

Has it never occurred to you that all these proofs of God's Law resulting in death come from the New testament? That God never said anything of the sort when He gave the Law? You don't notice anything strange about that?
 

Robert Pate

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Has it never occurred to you that all these proofs of God's Law resulting in death come from the New testament? That God never said anything of the sort when He gave the Law? You don't notice anything strange about that?

The New Testament changed everything.

The law was given to Israel as a keeper until Christ arrived.

Now, Christians are no longer kept by the law. They are kept by the Holy Spirit.
 

jamie

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Now, Christians are no longer kept by the law. They are kept by the Holy Spirit.

When Christ brought his people out of Egypt were they not kept by the Holy Spirit?

But they rebelled and grieved His Holy Spirit; so He turned Himself against them as an enemy and He fought against them. Then he remembered the days of old, Moses and his people saying: "Where is He who brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of His flock? Where is He who put His Holy Spirit within them"? (Isaiah 63:10-11)​
 

Robert Pate

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When Christ brought his people out of Egypt were they not kept by the Holy Spirit?

But they rebelled and grieved His Holy Spirit; so He turned Himself against them as an enemy and He fought against them. Then he remembered the days of old, Moses and his people saying: "Where is He who brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of His flock? Where is He who put His Holy Spirit within them"? (Isaiah 63:10-11)​

If they had the Holy Spirit they didn't have it for long. They were a bunch of rebels.
 

Crucible

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Predestinationism is illegal.

God cannot appoint some one to eternal if they have not been justified by Jesus Christ.

To be justified by Jesus Christ means that you must call on Christ to save you.

Many Calvinist have never called on Christ to save them because they believe that they have been predestinated.

The weakest part of the free will argument is right there in the red, because it means that you essentially save yourself and all Christ did was make it a bit easier for you :rolleyes:

Your free will in such theologies IS God- it trumps Providence, it determines salvation; it has more power than Christ himself.
 

Robert Pate

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The weakest part of the free will argument is right there in the red, because it means that you essentially save yourself and all Christ did was make it a bit easier for you :rolleyes:

Your free will in such theologies IS God- it trumps Providence, it determines salvation; it has more power than Christ himself.



If You were drowning would you not call on someone to save you?
 

Ktoyou

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I agree. I believe God's purpose for the creation and us on earth was predestined. However, the fall of Adam and Eve through free will had interrupted God's purpose. That purpose will be fulfilled. In the OT God set up the holy nation of Israel. But they failed. But the elect of the OT the "chosen people" had an extended scope. The elect now embraces Christian believers as well. "God has ordained (decreed) everything in salvation history with Christ as the goal" (TDNT). It was Christ who was predestined (Acts 2:23).

To try to say the God predestined people to heaven or hell is a very narrow view. It is wearing blinders/ignoring the rest of scripture. It does not include the scripture, such as the well known John 3:16, that opens it's arms to all who would believe.
You mixed up the two: salvation for Israel is though a second reckoning. For the Body of Christ, salvation is though Christ, faith in Christ.
 

Nick M

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The legal aspect is that this here goat was set free and my sin laid upon another.
 

Robert Pate

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Make up your mind, how can something be illegal if there is no law as you say?

We are subject to man's law and God's law as long as we are here in the flesh.

Spiritually, Christians are free from the God's law.

Calvinism, Catholicism, all religions are illegal. They are not according to the Gospel and justification by faith.
 
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