You are the most confused poster on TOL. Congratulations.Chamishi, Fifth. The Third Month The Seventeenth Day. Yom, Day.
I am a Jew. I have said that I am a former Christian. I do not believe in predestination to heaven, once saved always saved, or that you can lose your salvation.
You are the most confused poster on TOL. Congratulations.
The Bible is clear enough that we only have the promise of eternal life until Jesus returns, and that the promise is conditional upon us remaining in Christ Jesus until His return.You are the most confused poster on TOL. Congratulations.
You are the most confused poster on TOL. Congratulations.
You missed the point, as usual.The Bible is clear enough that we only have the promise of eternal life until Jesus returns, and that the promise is conditional upon us remaining in Christ Jesus until His return.
Once Saved Always Saved is a heresy that has condemned many people to eternal damnation when their names get blotted out from the book of life.
Certainly in the top 3.
The Bible is clear enough that we only have the promise of eternal life until Jesus returns, and that the promise is conditional upon us remaining in Christ Jesus until His return.
Once Saved Always Saved is a heresy that has condemned many people to eternal damnation when their names get blotted out from the book of life.
These two points are opposites. If you do not believe in once saved always saved then you must believe that you can lose your salvation...If you do not believe that you can lose your salvation, then you must believe that once saved always saved...I do not believe in... once saved always saved, or that you can lose your salvation.
These two points are opposites. If you do not believe in once saved always saved then you must believe that you can lose your salvation...If you do not believe that you can lose your salvation, then you must believe that once saved always saved...
Can you explain this...? I will listen.
That was exactly the point of my original post in this thread.These two points are opposites. If you do not believe in once saved always saved then you must believe that you can lose your salvation...If you do not believe that you can lose your salvation, then you must believe that once saved always saved...
Can you explain this...? I will listen.
These two points are opposites. If you do not believe in once saved always saved then you must believe that you can lose your salvation...If you do not believe that you can lose your salvation, then you must believe that once saved always saved...
Can you explain this...? I will listen.
1 Peter 1:3-9 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. 6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations: 7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: 8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: 9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. |
NoJacob is claiming to believe two contradictory things.
Peter is speaking to the TWELVE tribes of ISRAEL.You can only believe that you can lose your salvation if you believe you have already received your salvation.
According to the following passage, we do not receive the salvation of our souls until the appearing of Jesus Christ:
1 Peter 1:3-9
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:
7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
Since that is still a future event, we have not received salvation yet and we cannot lose what we do not have.
Chamishi, Fifth. The Third Month The Seventeenth Day. Yom, Day.
I am a Jew. I have said that I am a former Christian. I do not believe in predestination to heaven, once saved always saved, or that you can lose your salvation.
You said that.No
That is incorrect
Peter is specifically talking to the elect believers in Jesus Christ, who we call Christians, not to the children of Israel.Peter is speaking to the TWELVE tribes of ISRAEL.
1 Peter 1:2 2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. |
1 Peter 5:12-14 12 By Silvanus, a faithful brother unto you, as I suppose, I have written briefly, exhorting, and testifying that this is the true grace of God wherein ye stand. 13 The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son. 14 Greet ye one another with a kiss of charity. Peace be with you all that are in Christ Jesus. Amen. |
What are you talking about or going on about?You said that.
Care to change your contradictory statement?
The elect that Peter is speaking to was Israel. I understand that you prefer Churchianity over truth.Peter is specifically talking to the elect believers in Jesus Christ, who we call Christians, not to the children of Israel.
1 Peter 1:2
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
Peter even mentions Silvanus, "a leading member of the Early Christian community, who accompanied Paul the Apostle on parts of his first and second missionary journeys." ~ Wikipedia
1 Peter 5:12-14
12 By Silvanus, a faithful brother unto you, as I suppose, I have written briefly, exhorting, and testifying that this is the true grace of God wherein ye stand.
13 The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son.
14 Greet ye one another with a kiss of charity. Peace be with you all that are in Christ Jesus. Amen.