The AENT John 8:13

[Bright Raven]

It reads;

I told you that you will die in your sins,for unless you believe that I am you will die in your sins.

The note for this verse reads;

In Semitic thought, the phrase "Ena-na" (I am) conveys a thought of eternal existence reserved only for Elohim.

For those of you who doubt Jesus was saying He was the I AM of Exodus 3:14, what do you have to say?

 

[jamie]

It reads;

I told you that you will die in your sins,for unless you believe that I am you will die in your sins.

The note for this verse reads;

In Semitic thought, the phrase "Ena-na" (I am) conveys a thought of eternal existence reserved only for Elohim.

For those of you who doubt Jesus was saying He was the I AM of Exodus 3:14, what do you have to say?

It means those who have eternal life are Elohim.

 

[patrick jane]

John 8:13 KJV -

 

[Bright Raven]

It means those who have eternal life are Elohim.

And who might that be?

 

[jamie]

And who might that be?

Those whose names are written in the Book of Life.

 

[Bright Raven]

Those whose names are written in the Book of Life.

There is only one. Does that make it easier?

 

[jamie]

There is only one. Does that make it easier?

Are you saying only one person in all of human history has eternal life?

And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:15)​

 

[Bright Raven]

Are you saying only one person in all of human history has eternal life?

And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:15)​

No, I'm saying that there is only one worthy to be called Elohim (the Hebrew name for God). Not too familiar with the Hebrew?

 

[meshak]

John 8:13New King James Version (NKJV)

Jesus Defends His Self-Witness

13 The Pharisees therefore said to Him, “You bear witness of Yourself; Your witness is not true.”

This is what John8:13 says.

what are you talking about?

 

[Bright Raven]

This is what John8:13 says.

what are you talking about?

Corresponds to John 8:24. I should have annotated that. The first eleven verses are missing in some Aramaic translations. So. 24 minus 11 is 13.

 

[jamie]

No, I'm saying that there is only one worthy to be called Elohim (the Hebrew name for God). Not too familiar with the Hebrew?

Elohim is a generic term, it is not a name.

Jesus said, "Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect." (Matthew 5:48)

Perfect means spiritually mature.

 

[Bright Raven]

Elohim is a generic term, it is not a name.

Jesus said, "Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect." (Matthew 5:48)

Perfect means spiritually mature.

Check it out.

http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Names_of_G-d/Elohim/elohim.html

 

[meshak]

Corresponds to John 8:24. I should have annotated that.

Ok, thanks.

Here is another translation:

John 8:24New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)

24 I told you that you would die in your sins, for you will die in your sins unless you believe that I am he.”[a]

 

[Bright Raven]

Ok, thanks.

Here is another translation:

John 8:24New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)

24 I told you that you would die in your sins, for you will die in your sins unless you believe that I am he.”[a]

Absolutely correct. This is the correct rendering.

 

[meshak]

Absolutely correct. This is the correct rendering.

that has nothing to do with trinity.

 

[Bright Raven]

that has nothing to do with trinity.

Sure it does. Check out the note I posted with the verse

 

[meshak]

Sure it does. Check out the note I posted with the verse

It is your version and I don't agree with you.

 

[Bright Raven]

It is your version and I don't agree with you.

It is the Aramaic version from which all english versions are taken.

 

[meshak]

It is the Aramaic version from which all english versions are taken.

I am talking about how you read it.

 

[Bright Raven]

I am talking about how you read it.

I understand. This was taken from Gabriel Roth's translation. I prefer David Bauscher's translation. It chronologically follows our English translations.