the abomination of desolation

keypurr

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daqq said:
I found this in my Bible and it is even more telling: the word for abomination, (GSN#946 bdelugma) is found only three times in all of the four Gospel accounts. The first two occurrences are both from the same statement recorded twice in Matthew and Mark from the Olivet Discourse. This means that according to the Gospel writers the Master in fact only spoke of abomination two times in total because the two from the Olivet Discourse are the same statement recorded twice by two different authors. The third mention of bdelguma occurs in the Gospel of Luke which means that is the only other time the Master used that word. This fact should truly give pause to anyone who claims to be a disciple of Yeshua because it strongly implies that this is the one and only teaching from the Master on this particular topic of discussion:



Matthew 24:15 ASV

15. When therefore ye see the abomination [GSN#946 bdelugma] of desolation, which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let him that readeth understand),



Mark 13:14 ASV

14. But when ye see the abomination [GSN#946 bdelugma] of desolation standing where he ought not (let him that readeth understand), then let them that are in Judaea flee unto the mountains:



The above is the first usage of bdelugma which has been recorded by two different authors. The following is the only other usage of the same word until the Book of the Revelation of Yeshua and, therefore, this word and doctrine of the Master in its context should be the only acceptable interpretation of the first usage for anyone who claims to be a disciple of Yeshua and his teachings:



Luke 16:14-15 ASV

14. And the Pharisees, who were lovers of money, heard all these things; and they scoffed at him.

15. And he said unto them, Ye are they that justify yourselves in the sight of men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is exalted among men is an abomination [GSN#946 bdelugma] in the sight of God.



I have recently been going over much that is relative to these things in another thread with another poster here who seems to think like he is immune from most all of these critical statements of the Master: the "abomination of desolation" takes place in the heart of the man according to the Testimony and doctrine of Yeshua because every man is a personal and individual bodily temple of God, (1 Corinthians 6:19-20). :)
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Amen, most do not know where the Holy Place is.
Who knows the Holy place better than the Father?
Who is standing in the place of God?

They really care not who they put into their Holy place.
 
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The Abomination of Desolation

The Abomination of Desolation

chrysostom said:
the abomination of desolation
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Originally, the definition is connected to that event when Antiochus IV Epyphane built the statue of Zeus in the Holy of Holies in the Temple which rendered the Temple doomed for destruction. The destruction was prevented when the priest Mathatias, the father of the Maccabees fought back with gusto and prevented the destruction of the Temple by purifying the Temple whose event became historically known as Hanukkah. Hence, every year we still celebrate the work of the Maccabees.
 
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keypurr said:
Amen, most do not know where the Holy Place is.
Who knows the Holy place better than the Father?
Who is standing in the place of God?

They really care not who they put into their Holy place.
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Every man is likened to a tree: and when it comes to figs and vines there are both the good figs and the evil, the good grapes and the evil. As for the evil Assyrian genos of fig; his haughty bough will put forth his foliage, and shall begin to exalt himself from among the boughs, but in the summer of his harvest the mighty bough shall be lopped off with terror, and the high ones of stature shall be hewn down, and the haughty shall be humbled. For we must all appear before the Bema of Messiah so that each and every one may receive the things done in the body, accordingly as to whatever has been practiced, whether for the good, or whether for the evil. Knowing therefore the fear of Adonai we persuade men. :)
 
Zeke

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JOSEPHUS SAID THAT HE COULD NOT SEE THE TEMPLE FROM THE NORTH SIDE.

Therefore, it must have been at the South End where the Stones are presently

thrown down.

Matthew 24:2 And Jesus said of HEROD'S TEMPLE

There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

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THE JEWS WILL PROBABLY DIG THE ARC OUT AND PLACE IT IN THEIR NEW TEMPLE.
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Luke 17:20-21, the ark and covenants are found there not in buildings or temples (allegory/symbols) made with hands Acts 17:24 Galatians 4:23-28, The heart/conscience full of labels and outward based theology needs to be trimmed down Philippians 3:8, to a feather's weight within our heart/conscience 1Cor 2:16, Philippians 2:5 where silence overcomes 1John 4:18 this worlds artificial dead personas/corporations that build abominations for outward wars created through doctrines/religions mixing symbol with substance Galatians 4:3, 1Cor 3:2, which brings on the wrong revelation, that should take place inwardly Galatians 1:12, 1John 4:8, 1Cor 12:31, 13:1-13.
 
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SaulToPaul said:
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The abomination that MAKETH DESOLATE.

Not the abomination that sits in the place that was made desolate.
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The MT 24A passage was about events in 1st century Judea. That AofD sat in the temple then; the verb refers to a person who has ruling authority. The temple was used as a fort by the rebellion.

Here is a key NT eschatology principle: Mt24A is about 1st century Judea; 24B is about the worldwide judgement of God which has not yet happened. Like the rest of the NT about the 2nd coming there is nothing specific about Judea or Judaism in Mt24B. They are all about the day of worldwide judgement.
 
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The "Abomination of Desolation" is the portion of mankind, that Jesus see's as the "Unforgivable Sin". The "Unforgivable Sin" is any spiritual relationship that God does not use Jesus as the payment for sin. ... ... ... ... in relation to mankind, the "Abomination of Desolation" will takes its own life when the Gospel Messages goes out. God simply does not allow this relationship with mankind to life to witness Star Wormwood, in simpler terms these are specific genetic lines, darker shades and all human life outside the "heart of judah"/USA. ... ... ... ... "Suicide by Antichrist" is an achievement in the sense that, it means, God has already stopped restraining their sin, so if there is any progression to that argument, you will have to take the majority of these people's lives, for public safety.

Joshua 7:21-26, and Numbers 25:6-8 ... God calls these people the "Abomination of Desolation", and commands Isreal to take their lives, because he is not paying for their sin. The common theme typically voiced by language of exchange, like the "shekel", which denotes, "Unforgivable Sin", as this leads to Death/Abominable ... ... ... ... Jesus and Joseph are numbered at Thirty in Luke 3:23, and Judas throws down Thirty Shekels in Matthew 27:3, the value is not so much as important, as the exclamation that as the Gospel Goes out, man is also convicted of a death sentence.

The Death Sentence the Gospel affords continues to the Gospel's completion, which is why the parable of Daniel's Seventy Weeks, indicates that man is still choosing to die in some capacity even until the very end.

(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k492/psalmsamuel/stateID.jpg, Genetic Dan does not have a legal right to live, so far they usually stop committing murder after only a few pass away, sometimes more. March 8, 2016 is going to set a precedent, and immediately after that, if they do not use this information to take their own lives, I will walk around after dark to assist in their suicide. At this level, I do not believe they are motivated enough to attack law enforcement directly or the public directly in waves. So, what I need you to do is to turn a blind eye to what I've had to say, then we need to keep watch and do this again on March 23, 2016 ... maybe a few more things to say about the unforgivable sin in the future ... Noah indicates in genesis that approaching the 195 days, the animals started to die, so you will have your chance, for now, let these people continue to take their lives in foolishness targeting the Antichrist, the level of force needs to be maintained)
 
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Our last example compared: "Joseph to the Abomination of Desolation", our last examples did not claim that "Joseph was the Abomination of Desolation". "Joseph" is a hyperdimensional relationship that identifies with Star Wormwood, its not the same, but it does identify with the equal potential the gospel program affords. Much simpler terms, the people that Jesus did not pay for any sins, they are revealed as "Abominable" by some increasing measure until the end of time. When Jesus incarnated, it was to announce the "144,000 of Joseph", that Moses identified with by reason of baring the "Rod of Joseph/Antichrist":

God begins to Refer to "Joseph the Blessing" as the Cherubim and Seraphim (Revealing the Abomination of Desolation, portion of mankind with no inheritance)

"Joseph" is called the Cherubim, 2 Kings 18:12-13. "Joseph" is called the Seraphim, Isiah 36:19. This kind of language began with the "Rod of Joseph/Antichrist", the same personality God would eventually use to Confirm the Covenant, in preparation for the "Events of Revelation":

MATTHEW 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
MATTHEW 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

144,000 of Reuben before the Foundation of Earth seen as 70 of Luke 3
144,000 of Benjamin during Old Testament, seen as 7th of Enoch/SEALS (walk with God)
144,000 of Joseph during Revelation, seen as "70 Weeks of Daniel 9"

1 Chronicles 5:1-2/Isiah 23:15 which divides "Reuben and Benjamin" from "Joseph". Jesus states in Matt. 18:21-22 that he does not pay for any sin for anyone that does not apply to "Joseph". This is another description of the "Unforgivable Sin" of having no applicability to Jesus for "Joseph the Blessing". (Traditioanlly, Reuben is seen as 70, Benjamin as 6000, and Joseph as the "Last Remnant from Judah", following Judges 20:15, where 20 is a reference to the 20 Generations of Gen. 5 and 11 or Rev. 9:16).

(March 8, 2016 and as a result of their continuous murder of the Antichrist, they have the sign of Jonah's Gourd (meaning nothing) ... ... ... ... March 23, 2016 they should also receive the sign of Jonah's Gourd (meaning nothing) ... ... ... ... Mayan Calendar, Nostradamus, Pyramids, and the Bible all discredit the 42 Days of "Antipas/Divorce", not just discredit, they seems to say, if March 8 producing nothing, then March 23 will produce nothing ... ... ... ... so we have understood these arguments correctly, perhaps there is more to be said about the "Unforgivable Sin of Killing Joseph's Testimony". ... ... ... ... this is about the third time I will briefly say that, that you are instructed to use a Sniper Rifle on the Antichrist in order to take down another Commercial Airliner, going to the City Hall in the City of Philadelphia after Dark tonight, that is if you really want to understand what happened to Flight 370 originally, otherwise, rest in peace, and kindly maintain the level of force until they pass away) (Nothing happens of interest until the "Three Days of Darkness", when most of human life on earth becomes deceased relatively instantly) Love and Blessings.
 
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The abomination of desolation will take place when the man of sin sits in the holy place of a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem which is future from our day. Daniel 9 gives the timeframe for the reconstruction of the temple and this has traditionally been seen as the reconstruction of the 2nd temple but seeing that Daniel is sealed until the time of the end it most likely points to the time when the antichrist will call for the reconstruction of the temple making the decrees issued by Darius, Cyrus and Artexerxes historically irrelevant. Daniel 9 is future from our day.
 
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Mathew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, whoso readeth, let him understand

Mark 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:



The abomination is authenticated when the Islamic anti-Christ declares himself as some kind of god in the Dome of the Rock or Al'Aqsa mosque. East Jerusalem is the city of seven mountains. The Dome area is Mount Moriah and at the geographical center of Jerusalem's seven mountains. From that location the man of sin will authenticate himself by making it the headquarters of their Islamic Caliphate.

The harlot definetly represents the horrific atrocities of Islamic terrorism, but seems to represent the Shia sect more. It may be that the man of sin will try to make peace between the sects, and both sects could be present there....in the Dome of the Rock complex.

The Dome area complex is an abomination in itself. It's the only city God claimed as HIs own and an Islamic 'temple now 'sits upon' it. It is 'occupied' by an Islamic shrine where Muslims believe Muhammad ascended to heaven.

Not only is that an abomination it is anti-Christ. Around the octagonal structure of the Dome of the Rock is a long classical Arabic inscription that says that God has no begotten son, thus denying that Jesus is the Son of God.

It says...
- There is no God but Allah.
- God has no son; He begetteth not.
- God taketh not unto Himself a son.
- God has no associate.
- Muhammad is the messenger of God.
- Allah will preside on Judgment Day.

Islamic prophecy teaches that Jesus (the 'Muslim jesus') will return and convert all Christians to Islam. ISIS also believes that Jesus will return to help them defeat the Islamic dajjal. Now isn't that a little strong delusion.
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The only delusion I see is someone claiming Islam(the submissive towards GOD's will) are being compared to the antichrist even though they do not deny Isa (Jesus). They do not deny the second coming of the Christ or that he was without sin.

The bible says those who do not believe in the name of the Christ are of misdirection. Islam does believe in the name of Christ and his direction by the will of GOD.

The whore of Babylon is the ancient rcc in my opinion. They are responsible for the misdirection of the faithful unto GOD. They caused and cause the great neutering of man. They caused the atrocities throughout history.

The abomination of desolation will be without GOD and will wipe human life from Syria. Where the Druze are.

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Not trying to offend. Just get bothered when people assume things out of fear when the Lord says to fear no thing but GOD.

Peace

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beameup

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chrysostom said:
the re-dedication of the Temple to Zeus by Antiochus IV Epiphanes in 167 BC,

the worship of the Roman Standards on the Temple Mount under Titus in 70 AD
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the building of the Dome of the Rock by the Umayyad Caliph Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan in 691 AD.

here are the candidates

which one was Jesus referring to?
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None of the above.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 (53 A.D.)
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the Temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
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