"STOP ME!! Before I Forgive Again..."

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"STOP ME!! Before I Forgive Again..."

Tuesday October 10th, 2006. This is show #202.

Summary:

* Don't Forgive Murderers: If you are not God, then you should not forgive a murderer. You only have authority to forgive those who sin against "you" and even then, not for any harm their crime brings to others.

* Don't Forgive the Unrepentant: If someone does not repent, you should NOT forgive them. Millions of Americans who believe in God but reject Christ's Gospel believe that God is all forgiving, and that forgiveness is automatic and does not require repentance. The false Christian teaching that we should automatically forgive everyone puffs up our own flesh making us holier-than-thou, and worse, it helps send millions to hell with the false belief, given to them from Christians, that forgiveness is automatic and does not require repentance. However, Jesus taught that if someone sins against you, "rebuke him! And IF he repents, forgive him."

* Forgive Others To Be Forgiven = Law, not Grace: In Matthew chapters 6 and 19, Jesus taught that to be forgiven by God, a man must FIRST forgive others! That is law, NOT grace! God's program for believers today is GRACE, NOT LAW! Under Grace, when we trust Christ, God forgives us of ALL our sin, and forgiving others is a SECONDARY matter. The Four Gospels do not record Jesus using the word "grace" NOT EVEN ONCE, because He came teaching Law, not grace! That is why the Gospels speak of law, commandment, ordinance, regulation, and Moses many dozens of times, frequently by Christ's own words. Later, God gave to the Apostle Paul the teaching of Grace. That is why Jesus only used the word "grace" while talking to Paul, but He never once mentioned the word grace in all four Gospels!

Today's TWO Resources: 1) Bob's life's work, our bestselling 330-page unpublished manuscript, The Plot which discusses these forgiveness, law and grace issues! 2) Enjoy this fast-paced critique of today's Christian teaching on the issues of forgiveness, judging, confrontation, etc. in audiotape or MP3 CD (call 800-8Enyart) format.
 

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I think for some forgiving is an addiction. Maybe there should be an F.A. -- Forgivers Anonymous.

"Hi, I'm Johnny and I'm a faulty forgiver".
 

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Are you a Forgiveaholic? Well now there's help.
 

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Jefferson said:
"STOP ME!! Before I Forgive Again..."

Tuesday October 10th, 2006. This is show #202.

Summary:

* Don't Forgive Murderers: If you are not God, then you should not forgive a murderer. You only have authority to forgive those who sin against "you" and even then, not for any harm their crime brings to others.

* Don't Forgive the Unrepentant: If someone does not repent, you should NOT forgive them. Millions of Americans who believe in God but reject Christ's Gospel believe that God is all forgiving, and that forgiveness is automatic and does not require repentance. The false Christian teaching that we should automatically forgive everyone puffs up our own flesh making us holier-than-thou, and worse, it helps send millions to hell with the false belief, given to them from Christians, that forgiveness is automatic and does not require repentance. However, Jesus taught that if someone sins against you, "rebuke him! And IF he repents, forgive him."

* Forgive Others To Be Forgiven = Law, not Grace: In Matthew chapters 6 and 19, Jesus taught that to be forgiven by God, a man must FIRST forgive others! That is law, NOT grace! God's program for believers today is GRACE, NOT LAW! Under Grace, when we trust Christ, God forgives us of ALL our sin, and forgiving others is a SECONDARY matter. The Four Gospels do not record Jesus using the word "grace" NOT EVEN ONCE, because He came teaching Law, not grace! That is why the Gospels speak of law, commandment, ordinance, regulation, and Moses many dozens of times, frequently by Christ's own words. Later, God gave to the Apostle Paul the teaching of Grace. That is why Jesus only used the word "grace" while talking to Paul, but He never once mentioned the word grace in all four Gospels!

Today's TWO Resources: 1) Bob's life's work, our bestselling 330-page unpublished manuscript, The Plot which discusses these forgiveness, law and grace issues! 2) Enjoy this fast-paced critique of today's Christian teaching on the issues of forgiveness, judging, confrontation, etc. in audiotape or MP3 CD (call 800-8Enyart) format.

It's very easy and convenient to not forgive the people who do the "really bad" sins, isn't it? I guess Jesus didn't tell us to be like Him, huh? He said... "listen to Bob Enyart! He's a right winger! Oh yeah! Make sure to persecute all the sinners and be sure not to give any FAGS their civil rights!" I think He said that... I think... I'm pretty sure
 

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"STOP ME!! Before I Forgive Again..."

Tuesday October 10th, 2006. This is show #202.

Summary:

* Don't Forgive Murderers: If you are not God, then you should not forgive a murderer. You only have authority to forgive those who sin against "you" and even then, not for any harm their crime brings to others.

* Don't Forgive the Unrepentant: If someone does not repent, you should NOT forgive them. Millions of Americans who believe in God but reject Christ's Gospel believe that God is all forgiving, and that forgiveness is automatic and does not require repentance. The false Christian teaching that we should automatically forgive everyone puffs up our own flesh making us holier-than-thou, and worse, it helps send millions to hell with the false belief, given to them from Christians, that forgiveness is automatic and does not require repentance. However, Jesus taught that if someone sins against you, "rebuke him! And IF he repents, forgive him."

* Forgive Others To Be Forgiven = Law, not Grace: In Matthew chapters 6 and 19, Jesus taught that to be forgiven by God, a man must FIRST forgive others! That is law, NOT grace! God's program for believers today is GRACE, NOT LAW! Under Grace, when we trust Christ, God forgives us of ALL our sin, and forgiving others is a SECONDARY matter. The Four Gospels do not record Jesus using the word "grace" NOT EVEN ONCE, because He came teaching Law, not grace! That is why the Gospels speak of law, commandment, ordinance, regulation, and Moses many dozens of times, frequently by Christ's own words. Later, God gave to the Apostle Paul the teaching of Grace. That is why Jesus only used the word "grace" while talking to Paul, but He never once mentioned the word grace in all four Gospels!

Today's TWO Resources: 1) Bob's life's work, our bestselling 330-page unpublished manuscript, The Plot which discusses these forgiveness, law and grace issues! 2) Enjoy this fast-paced critique of today's Christian teaching on the issues of forgiveness, judging, confrontation, etc. in audiotape or MP3 CD (call 800-8Enyart) format.

Good OP. I've known this friend for about 46 years, she's a Grace Gospel Christian believer. She had believed one, MUST forgive people who had done her wrong. I eventually led her in the right direction by telling her, God doesn't forgive the unbeliever until they hear the Gospel, place their faith in Christ as their Savior (which she knew already) and I added, we must confess we're a lost sinner in need of a Savior. 1 John 1:19 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." So, the universe is set up for, admitting we have sinned against God. I believe the same holds true if someone, "believer or non-believer" has committed a negative wrong towards us, they must first admit the wrong they did and seek our forgiveness. It's then, we must forgive them, but not until they have made that declaration.

If God expects that of the unbeliever, truly that's what God expects the believer to do when someone has wronged us. How can we forgive someone unless they're seeking forgiveness?
 

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...How can we forgive someone unless they're seeking forgiveness?

We can release them to God (Mt 5:44, 1 Co 5:5).

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