Spiritual Israel or Isrealites.

meshak

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The verses that support my claim of "Spiritual Israel or Israelites":


John 8:33-47New King James Version (NKJV)

33 They answered Him, “We are Abraham’s descendants, and have never been in bondage to anyone. How can You say, ‘You will be made free’?”

34 Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. 35 And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. 36 Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.

Abraham’s Seed and Satan’s

37 “I know that you are Abraham’s descendants, but you seek to kill Me, because My word has no place in you. 38 I speak what I have seen with My Father, and you do what you have seen with[a] your father.”

39 They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father.”

Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham. 40 But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this. 41 You do the deeds of your father.”

Then they said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father—God.”

42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”

and I would like to add Northwye's collection of Spiritual Israelites.

He said in Romans 2: 28-29, "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29. But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."

"Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?.........Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. 17. And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect..........But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26. For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. Galatians 3: 3, 16-17, 26-29

"For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7. Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed." Romans 9: 6-8

"For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:" Romans 11: 25-26

Christian Zionists, dispensationalists, separation theologians, make up their theology and then go looking through the New Testament trying to find texts which they think support that theology. This is their "Hermeneutic."

But the way the Bible itself says to interpret scripture is in Isaiah 28: 9-10: "Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
10. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:"

We are to interpret scripture by putting relevant scripture together. Who Israel is in Romans 11: 26 depends on the scriptures quoted above.

Paul says in Romans 9: 6-8 that the children of the promise are the seed and are Israel, implying also that the elect of God are Israel. We add Galatians 3: 28 and Romans 10: 12 to Romans 9: 6-8 to understand that all the elect of God are one, in unity, not divided by one group from the bloodline and the other in the Church. We have here the answer of who Israel is in Romans 11: 26. There Paul tells us that all who are saved are Israel.
 
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Evil.Eye.<(I)>

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You don't believe all Jews will be saved without accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior?

Meshak,

You have this whole thing so darn goofed up because you googled a word and think you understand it. In the Confessions of a Christian Zionist thread, we each did our best to lend you an understanding of what scripture says on the matter of Israel.

You haven't cared to listen or try to see the scriptures that have been referred to you as you simply assert that the "enemy of the gospel" Jews are completely cut off.

You damn them to Spiritual destruction with your assertions.

This is a matter that spans all of scripture and the "Spiritual" Israel aspect of matters is totally misasserted by you, LA and the Calvinist's.

Wake up sister. If you care to understand the scriptural assertions you are attempting to refute, I would be more than happy to explain things to you a bit at the time.

This would be so you became theologically educated on a matter you are contesting over and over. To fight an opponent without understanding their perspective is a bad move.

Peace.
 

meshak

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Meshak,

You have this whole thing so darn goofed up because you googled a word and think you understand it. In the Confessions of a Christian Zionist thread, we each did our best to lend you an understanding of what scripture says on the matter of Israel.

You haven't cared to listen or try to see the scriptures that have been referred to you as you simply assert that the "enemy of the gospel" Jews are completely cut off.

You damn them to Spiritual destruction with your assertions.

This is a matter that spans all of scripture and the "Spiritual" Israel aspect of matters is totally misasserted by you, LA and the Calvinist's.

Wake up sister. If you care to understand the scriptural assertions you are attempting to refute, I would be more than happy to explain things to you a bit at the time.

This would be so you became theologically educated on a matter you are contesting over and over. To fight an opponent without understanding their perspective is a bad move.

Peace.

So you just disregard Jesus' word.

I am not surprised. Many of you don't know Jesus and His teachings.
 

meshak

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[MENTION=13959]meshak[/MENTION],

I would never say those words to you. I have pointed out theological differences and asserted scripture to back up the views.

This will be my last sarcasm free post to you for a bit.

#Only one [MENTION=13959]meshak[/MENTION]

Reference for your claim?


My OP is not my word, it is Jesus' word.

I don't think you even knew those verses were in the Bible.
 

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The Israelite's were more earthbound than spiritual. They expected the Old Covenant back and Israel returned to it's former glory which did not last long in the first place. From some readings I have read by Rabbis today they still seem to be more earthbound. Jesus taught that the old kingdom was gone. The New Kingdom is a heavenly spiritual kingdom. One that requires not getting caught up in earthly matters, but being more focused on spiritual matters. Not allowing the earthly to bother us.
 

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[MENTION=13959]meshak[/MENTION],

I would never say those words to you. I have pointed out theological differences and asserted scripture to back up the views.

This will be my last sarcasm free post to you for a bit.

#Only one [MENTION=13959]meshak[/MENTION]

You gave scripture which you twisted in your twisted mind.

Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

then you claimed it was the unbelieving component of Israel of Pauls time who are the beloved for the sake of the Fathers.

Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

It is the elect of Israel of Paul's time who are the beloved.

Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded


Your mind and heart has been programmed by the word of the world, so that you can not know the truth.

Meshak showed you the truth--

Joh 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
Joh 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
Joh 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Joh 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

LA
 

Evil.Eye.<(I)>

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You gave scripture which you twisted in your twisted mind.

Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

then you claimed it was the unbelieving component of Israel of Pauls time who are the beloved for the sake of the Fathers.

Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

It is the elect of Israel of Paul's time who are the beloved.

Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded


Your mind and heart has been programmed by the word of the world, so that you can not know the truth.

Meshak showed you the truth--

Joh 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
Joh 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
Joh 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Joh 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

LA

Twists and turns are what your mind yearns
It's the straight gate that confuses your state

Like a monkey clutching to salt in a crack
You deny all Scriptural sense and turn your back
 

meshak

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Twists and turns are what your mind yearns
It's the straight gate that confuses your state

Like a monkey clutching to salt in a crack
You deny all Scriptural sense and turn your back

It is you twist and change the word the way you want. It is very clear you are political minded.

You have none to justify your claim.

My OP message is clear about that Jesus is for faithful ones. He does not endorse anyone, not even Israelites who are against God and Jesus.

You claim to be a Christian. You should concentrating on to spread Jesus' word to the world, not get involved with the war.

This is what Jesus says: "go therefor make disciples of all nations... teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you."
 

meshak

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The Israelite's were more earthbound than spiritual. They expected the Old Covenant back and Israel returned to it's former glory which did not last long in the first place. From some readings I have read by Rabbis today they still seem to be more earthbound. Jesus taught that the old kingdom was gone. The New Kingdom is a heavenly spiritual kingdom. One that requires not getting caught up in earthly matters, but being more focused on spiritual matters. Not allowing the earthly to bother us.

Amen! thank you for your input.
 

Evil.Eye.<(I)>

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It is you twist and change the word the way you want. It is very clear you are political minded.

You have none to justify your claim.

My OP message is clear about that Jesus is for faithful ones. He does not endorse anyone, not even Israelites who are against God and Jesus.

You claim to be a Christian. You should concentrating on to spread Jesus' word to the world, not get involved with the war.

This is what Jesus says: "go therefor make disciples of all nations... teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you."

#Quit letting your cap talk for you
#Perhaps it has you bound by its evil cap trickery
#I know you can break the curse of the cap
#Break free Meshak! Break free!
 

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The Israelite's were more earthbound than spiritual. They expected the Old Covenant back and Israel returned to it's former glory which did not last long in the first place. From some readings I have read by Rabbis today they still seem to be more earthbound. Jesus taught that the old kingdom was gone. The New Kingdom is a heavenly spiritual kingdom. One that requires not getting caught up in earthly matters, but being more focused on spiritual matters. Not allowing the earthly to bother us.
You express the confusion of modern churchianity quite well.
 
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