Sons of God in the Old Testament (Tanakh)

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Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God [ben 'elohim] saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. - Genesis 6:1-2

The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God [ben 'elohim] came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. - Genesis 6:4
 
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beameup said:
The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God [ben 'elohim] came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. - Genesis 6:4
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Who were the sons of God?

Who were the mighty men of old from God's perspective?
 
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The sons of God were the mighty men of old.

Here's a partial list of the sons of God:

"...the son of Shem, the son of Noah, the son of Lamech, the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch, the son of Jared, the son of Mahalalel, the son of Cainan, the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God." (Luke 3:36-38)

Jesus was also a son of God through David, the son of Nathan by his mom.
 
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jamie said:
The sons of God were the mighty men of old.
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The text clearly says that the "sons of God" were the FATHERS of the Nephilim
The "sons of God" TOOK wives and CHILDREN were born to them.
The Nephilim were the SONS of the sons-of-'elohim and human women and were GIANTS

jamie said:
Here's a partial list of the sons of God:

"...the son of Shem, the son of Noah, the son of Lamech, the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch, the son of Jared, the son of Mahalalel, the son of Cainan, the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God." (Luke 3:36-38)
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None of these "fathers" were 'elohim, they were human men

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Jesus was also a son of God through David, the son of Nathan by his mom.
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Again, Jesus was not a son of the 'elohim spoken of in Genesis 6, Jesus was the son of God.

So, we have three "father" groups mentioned here:
ben 'elohim
mankind
God
 
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beameup said:
The text clearly says that the "sons of God" were the FATHERS of the Nephilim
The "sons of God" TOOK wives and CHILDREN were born to them.
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No. It doesn't.

here it is in English translation, since you don't know Hebrew:

4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
 
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Angels were individually created beings. They did not reproduce so there is no reason to believe they were male and female.

There is no reason to believe they had DNA without which physical reproduction cannot be accomplished.

Angels are sterile, most humans are not.
 
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This is such a silly topic! They were decedents of Seth, not a separate race of giants, or angles.
 
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jamie said:
Angels were individually created beings. They did not reproduce so there is no reason to believe they were male and female.

There is no reason to believe they had DNA without which physical reproduction cannot be accomplished.

Angels are sterile, most humans are not.
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Where is the word "Angel" in the text?
The subject is ben 'elohim
 
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jamie said:
Some people maintain spirit beings made babies.
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What "spirit beings" are you referring to (add scripture please)?
Certainly "angels" and the "Angel of YHVH" ate and drank with Abraham, on their way to Sodom, and the two angels became the objects of sexual desire to the residents of Sodom.
 
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The sons of Elohim were of the line of Seth (the spiritual pre-evangelism) while the daughters of men were of the line of Cain.
 
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The sons of Elohim were of the line of Seth (the spiritual pre-evangelism) while the daughters of men were of the line of Cain.
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I begrudgingly have to agree with this post. Evolution is slowly dying the death of absurdity so the newest lie is that angels procreated with humans to create the Nephilim or giants that roamed the earth. Then these 'angels' are turned into aliens who seeded life on earth thousands of years ago. The alien phenomena is so popular today that there are shows like 'ancient aliens', 'X-files' and 'Doctor who' that spin this theme to ad nauseam. Everything that God creates is beautiful and perfect so the belief that the universe is filled with bug-eyed aliens is demonic. The premise being that if evolution started here it must have started on other worlds as well. Well, evolution never started here so it never started on any other world either. The bug-eyed aliens are demons trying to deceive stupid humans and doing a pretty good job at it.
 
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Truster said:
The sons of Elohim were of the line of Seth (the spiritual pre-evangelism) while the daughters of men were of the line of Cain.
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So, the "sons of Seth" could go up and appear before God, along with Satan?

Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them. - Job 1:6
 
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beameup said:
What "spirit beings" are you referring to (add scripture please)?
Certainly "angels" and the "Angel of YHVH" ate and drank with Abraham, on their way to Sodom, and the two angels became the objects of sexual desire to the residents of Sodom.
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Angels are interdimensional. Humans are intradimensional.
 
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beameup said:
So, the "sons of Seth" could go up and appear before God, along with Satan?
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There are spirit sons of God and there are human sons of God.

The spiritual creation is primary, the physical creation is temporary.

Angels live at the discretion of the Spirit who brought them into existence through Christ.
 
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I begrudgingly have to agree with this post. Evolution is slowly dying the death of absurdity so the newest lie is that angels procreated with humans to create the Nephilim or giants that roamed the earth. Then these 'angels' are turned into aliens who seeded life on earth thousands of years ago. The alien phenomena is so popular today that there are shows like 'ancient aliens', 'X-files' and 'Doctor who' that spin this theme to ad nauseam. Everything that God creates is beautiful and perfect so the belief that the universe is filled with bug-eyed aliens is demonic. The premise being that if evolution started here it must have started on other worlds as well. Well, evolution never started here so it never started on any other world either. The bug-eyed aliens are demons trying to deceive stupid humans and doing a pretty good job at it.
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I shall reciprocate and agree. Not because I'm a sniveling creep, but because there is truth in what you have added.
 
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Truster said:
The sons of Elohim were of the line of Seth (the spiritual pre-evangelism) while the daughters of men were of the line of Cain.
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Then it would be the line of Seth that were being wicked by marrying women they should not be marrying. That doesn't sound like Godly evangelism, now does it.
 
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