Senate rebukes Trump over his willingness to let Russians interrogate Americans

[The Barbarian]

Senate Rebuffs Russia Interviews of Americans in Rebuke to Trump
The Republican-led Senate effectively rebuked President Donald Trump for considering Russia’s request to question U.S. officials, giving voice to growing unease over the president’s shifting policies toward his country’s biggest adversary after his summit with Vladimir Putin.

In a resolution adopted 98-0 on Thursday, senators called on the U.S. to refuse to make any officials available for interrogation by Putin’s government. Minutes before the vote was scheduled to begin, White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders issued a statement rejecting the Russian proposal.

"It is a proposal that was made in sincerity by President Putin, but President Trump disagrees with it," Sanders said. A day earlier she didn’t shoot down the idea, instead saying Trump was “going to meet with his team” about it.

The measure that forced the White House’s hand is nonbinding. But the vote marked a rare decision by Republican leader Mitch McConnell to take up a resolution written by top Democrat Chuck Schumer undercutting the GOP president.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-against-trump-letting-russia-grill-americans

 

[Stripe]

The right decision was made, but Dumbocrats are angry. :idunno:

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[The Barbarian]

The right decision was made, but Dumbocrats are angry.

The democrats initiated it. It just happened that all the republicans joined them.

But the vote marked a rare decision by Republican leader Mitch McConnell to take up a resolution written by top Democrat Chuck Schumer undercutting the GOP president.

Democrats seem pretty happy about it. For the first time, republicans put America first. Don't you think that's a good idea?

:idunno:

 

[Ktoyou]

The democrats initiated it. It just happened that all the republicans joined them.

But the vote marked a rare decision by Republican leader Mitch McConnell to take up a resolution written by top Democrat Chuck Schumer undercutting the GOP president.

Democrats seem pretty happy about it. For the first time, republicans put America first. Don't you think that's a good idea?

They are all is bit in a flight of fancy. Russia is not out to war with us, they just want to get in on the money, not turn us into communists, which was an irrational fear from 70 years ago.

The way the world works today, when one nation benefits, we all share in that benefit.

 

[The Barbarian]

They are all is bit in a flight of fancy. Russia is not out to war with us, they just want to get in on the money, not turn us into communists, which was an irrational fear from 70 years ago.

It's true. Putin is more of a Tsar than a communist. He merely wants to regain the Gathering of Russia. The fall of communism coincided with the fragmentation of the Russian Empire. Putin wants to restore the empire, not Marxism.

The way the world works today, when one nation benefits, we all share in that benefit.

That is the way it is in the world we have today. The problem for Russia is that crime and corruption is now destroying productivity and innovation:

Russia is one of the few member states and parters of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), in which real per capita GDP will fall by 2060 relative to the benchmark, the United States, according to an OECD reported entitled “Long-Term Prospects: Scenarios for the World Economy, 2060.” Vedomosti has had access to the eport. A source at the OECD confirmed its authenticity while noting it was a preliminary draft.

In the absence of reforms, Russia’s per capita GDP will grow only 0.7% in the next twelve years, predict OECD economists. The stumbling block is low workforce productivity. In recent years, it has not increased at all, and it will accelerate to a mere 0.5% in the period 2018–2030. Another brake on economic growth is poor demography: the economically active and able-bodied segment of the populace has been declining. By way of comparison, due to its positive demographic circumstances, Turkey’s standard of living will increase considerably by 2060 to about three fourths of the figures for the US, write the report’s authors. In Russia, it will increase to 40% of the benchmark before decreasing slightly.

It is hard not concur with the diagnosis, notes Alexander Isakov, VTB Capital’s chief economist for Russia. Demography and workforce productivity are the biggest constraints on economic growth in Russia.
https://therussianreader.com/2018/03/07/russia-real-gdp-per-capita-oecd-forecasts/

The problem for Putin is that he maintains his hold on Russia only by the cooperation of crime syndicates and oligarchs. Cutting corruption and freeing up innovation and business, would greatly improve the Russian economy, but he can't afford to lose the support of people whose income depends on keeping the lid on.

As you suggest, we should not gloat over this; it harms us, too.

 

[Ktoyou]

It's true. Putin is more of a Tsar than a communist. He merely wants to regain the Gathering of Russia. The fall of communism coincided with the fragmentation of the Russian Empire. Putin wants to restore the empire, not Marxism.



That is the way it is in the world we have today. The problem for Russia is that crime and corruption is now destroying productivity and innovation:

Russia is one of the few member states and parters of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), in which real per capita GDP will fall by 2060 relative to the benchmark, the United States, according to an OECD reported entitled “Long-Term Prospects: Scenarios for the World Economy, 2060.” Vedomosti has had access to the eport. A source at the OECD confirmed its authenticity while noting it was a preliminary draft.

In the absence of reforms, Russia’s per capita GDP will grow only 0.7% in the next twelve years, predict OECD economists. The stumbling block is low workforce productivity. In recent years, it has not increased at all, and it will accelerate to a mere 0.5% in the period 2018–2030. Another brake on economic growth is poor demography: the economically active and able-bodied segment of the populace has been declining. By way of comparison, due to its positive demographic circumstances, Turkey’s standard of living will increase considerably by 2060 to about three fourths of the figures for the US, write the report’s authors. In Russia, it will increase to 40% of the benchmark before decreasing slightly.

It is hard not concur with the diagnosis, notes Alexander Isakov, VTB Capital’s chief economist for Russia. Demography and workforce productivity are the biggest constraints on economic growth in Russia.
https://therussianreader.com/2018/03/07/russia-real-gdp-per-capita-oecd-forecasts/

The problem for Putin is that he maintains his hold on Russia only by the cooperation of crime syndicates and oligarchs. Cutting corruption and freeing up innovation and business, would greatly improve the Russian economy, but he can't afford to lose the support of people whose income depends on keeping the lid on.

As you suggest, we should not gloat over this; it harms us, too.

I have no problem with a Russian Tsar, in fact, preferred it from a historical point of view. As to the crime, let them toughen up the government and social system and the crime will drop.

Nikita Khrushchev did not have this trouble and did not have to deal with criminal gangs, so, how did he do it?

 

[The Barbarian]

I have no problem with a Russian Tsar, in fact, preferred it from a historical point of view. As to the crime, let them toughen up the government and social system and the crime will drop.

Nikita Khrushchev did not have this trouble and did not have to deal with criminal gangs, so, how did he do it?

Kruschchev was the head of the biggest gang, and worked ceaselessly to take down the others. In that time, businessmen were the criminals.

So it's not surprising that so many Russian businessmen are now criminals.

The problem is how to open up the economy, when the government depends on those criminals for support.

 

[Ktoyou]

Kruschchev was the head of the biggest gang, and worked ceaselessly to take down the others. In that time, businessmen were the criminals.

So it's not surprising that so many Russian businessmen are now criminals.

The problem is how to open up the economy, when the government depends on those criminals for support.

I do not think Russia thought of them as criminals, like they do with the tattooed criminals today. Each country makes its own laws, and we have to learn to get along, even if we dislike their methods.

 

[The Barbarian]

Russian organized crime or Russian mafia (Russian: рoссийская мафия, translit. rossiyskaya mafiya,[2] Russian: русская мафия, translit. russkaya mafiya), sometimes referred to as Bratva (Russian: братва: "brotherhood"), is a collective of various organized crime elements originating in the former Soviet Union. The acronym OPG is Organized Criminal (=Prestupnaya in Russian) Group, used to refer to any of the Russian mafia groups, sometimes modified with a specific name, e.g. Orekhovskaya OPG. Sometimes the acronym is translated and OCG is used.

Organized crime in Russia began in the imperial period of the Tsars, but it was not until the Soviet era that vory v zakone ("thieves-in-law") emerged as leaders of prison groups in lagerya (plural form for Russian lager – an informal nickname for a prison labor camp in the Soviet Union), and their honor code became more defined. With the end of World War II, the death of Joseph Stalin, and the fall of the Soviet Union, more gangs emerged in a flourishing black market, exploiting the unstable governments of the former Republics, and at its highest point, even controlling as much as two-thirds of the Russian economy.[citation needed] Louis Freeh, former director of the FBI, said that the Russian mafia posed the greatest threat to U.S. national security in the mid-1990s.[3]

In modern times, there are as many as 6,000 different groups,[4] with more than 200 of them having a global reach. Criminals of these various groups are either former prison members, corrupt officials and business leaders, people with ethnic ties, or people from the same region with shared criminal experiences and leaders[clarification needed].[5] In December 2009, Timur Lakhonin, the head of the Russian National Central Bureau of Interpol, stated "Certainly, there is crime involving our former compatriots abroad, but there is no data suggesting that an organized structure of criminal groups comprising former Russians exists abroad",[6] while in August 2010, Alain Bauer, a French criminologist, said that it "is one of the best structured criminal organizations in Europe, with a quasi-military operation."[7]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_mafia

 

[Stripe]

The democrats initiated it. It just happened that all the republicans joined them.

But the vote marked a rare decision by Republican leader Mitch McConnell to take up a resolution written by top Democrat Chuck Schumer undercutting the GOP president.

Democrats seem pretty happy about it. For the first time, republicans put America first. Don't you think that's a good idea?

I don't care.

The right decision got made, but for some reason you're upset.

It's bizarre.

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[ok doser]

I don't care.

The right decision got made, but for some reason you're upset.

It's bizarre.

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it's only bizarre if you expect rationality and coherency from the insane

 

[The Barbarian]

Barbarian observes:
The democrats initiated it. It just happened that all the republicans joined them.

But the vote marked a rare decision by Republican leader Mitch McConnell to take up a resolution written by top Democrat Chuck Schumer undercutting the GOP president.

Democrats seem pretty happy about it. For the first time, republicans put America first. Don't you think that's a good idea?

(Stipe whines)
I don't care.

For someone who claims he doesn't care, you're kinda upset about it.

It's bizarre.

Republicans showing some backbone and patriotism? Not bizarre, but certainly out of the ordinary.

 

[ok doser]

I don't care.

The right decision got made, but for some reason you're upset.

"upset"?

he's enraged - just look at the way he altered your post to make it look like you were saying something else

and the projectionist way he attributes emotion to you (stripe whines)

he only does that when he's enraged


another tell is when he calls you names, or me - sod is one of his favorites for me and for some bizarre uber-gay reason lately, fluffbutton


it's really icky to have an 85 year old gay man calling you "fluffbutton"

 

[Stripe]

Look at the way he altered your post to make it look like you were saying something else.

To be fair, I spend as little time as possible reading what he writes.

another tell is when he calls you names, or me - sod is one of his favorites for me and for some bizarre uber-gay reason lately, fluffbutton it's really icky to have an 85 year old gay man calling you "fluffbutton"

Ew.

I thought this thread was about politics oh wait on second thoughts, that makes perfect sense.

 

[jgarden]

The right decision was made, but Dumbocrats are angry. :idunno:

Senate rebukes Trump over his willingness to let Russians interrogate Americans

Any other America President would have rejected such an outrageous suggestion immediately, so why did it take the Trump Administration 3 days and a 98-0 vote from the Senate?

 

[Stripe]

Any other America President would have rejected such an outrageous suggestion immediately, so why did it take the Trump Administration 3 days and a 98-0 vote from the Senate?

It's clearly because he wants to hand over the US to Putin in a gift basket.

:mock: TDS fools.

 

[rexlunae]

Congress can take all the symbolic non-binding votes they like, it won't do one thing to stop this administration from betraying this country.

 

[Stripe]

Congress can take all the symbolic non-binding votes they like, it won't do one thing to stop this administration from betraying this country.

:rotfl:

:mock: TDS fools.

 

[ok doser]

:rotfl:

:mock: TDS fools.

not fools

mentally ill

Political (Betrayal)

Most adults living in western democracies place trust in the state of which they are a citizen. When this trust is betrayed, at its worst, the individual can suffer psychological betrayal trauma. Betrayal trauma has symptoms similar to Posttraumatic stress disorder,[3] although the element of amnesia and disassociation is likely to be greater.

The key difference between traditional post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) and betrayal trauma is that the former is historically seen as being caused primarily by fear, whereas betrayal trauma is a response to extreme anger. Fear and anger are the two sides to the fight-or-flight response, and as such are our strongest and most basic psychological emotions.[citation needed]

Pure political betrayal trauma can be caused by situations such as wrongful arrest and conviction by the legal system of a western democracy; or by discrimination, bullying or other serious mistreatment by a state institution or powerful figure within the state.

fear and anger were key characteristics of the left leading up to the election and in its aftermath

as for discrimination, many of the insane left will argue interminably that trump is racist, that trump's travel bans targeted mooslims (while ignoring the fact that the largest mooslim population countries were not on his list). The Supreme Court in a unanimous ruling, said they should "stop being such whiny little retards"

and not a day goes by without someone on the left whining about what a bully trump is, especially on social media, land of the tards

 

[ok doser]

Congress can take all the symbolic non-binding votes they like, it won't do one thing to stop this administration from betraying this country.

betraying ukraine, perhaps

but how you do work out "betraying this country" in your head?