RELIGION: A Diversion Away From Christ and His Gospel

Robert Pate

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The reason that the Pharisees rejected Jesus was because they already had a savior. The Torah. The Torah was the way, the truth and the life and no man could come to the Father but by the Torah. What the Jews said about the law, (The Torah) John took it and applied it to Jesus, John 14:6.

Catholicism is the Catholics Jesus, just like Calvinism is the Calvinists Jesus. Religion is man's preoccupation with his own spirituallity, which is himself. You seldom if ever, hear religious people talk about Christ and his Gospel. It is always about them and their religion. Religion is a diversion away from Christ and his Gospel. Paul wrote, "The Just Shall Live By Faith" Romans 1:17. He was quoting Habakkuk 2:4. Things have not changed, the just still live by faith and not by law and religion. Faith in Christ and his Gospel.

Religion is not of the Spirit, religion is of the flesh. That is why there is no power in it. Paul said that... "The Gospel is the power of God unto salvation" Romans 1:16. There is power in the Gospel because the Holy Spirit is in the Gospel. There is no power in the law or religion. Paul said that the Law or religion made him want to sin, Romans 7:8, 9, 10. Look at the Catholic church, which is a law based religion, it is full of sexual deviants. And what about Pentecostalism? which is another law based religion. All of the TV preachers fell into sin because they had no power in their lives, what they had was religion and no Gospel

WHAT IS THE GOSPEL?

The Gospel is about Jesus Christ, it is not about us. We had nothing, absolutly nothing to do with the Gospel. The Gospel is about what took place between Jesus and God. We are the benefactors of the Gospel, not the creators of it. The scripture says, "While we were yet sinners Christ died for us" Romans 5:8. Our position in the Gospel is that we are the sinners. In the Gospel Jesus comes into the world as the new Adam and embraces our humanity and becomes one with us, but not one of us. All that Jesus is and all that Jesus did was for us. By his sinless life he offers to God a life of perfect obedience to his Holy Law. He does this in our name and on our behalf, just like we did it ourselves. It was the life of Jesus that was lived for our justification, Romans 3:26.

That was not enough, something had to be done about our sins and the sins of the world. This is why God, "Made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin that we might be made the righteousness of God in him" 2 Corinthians 5:21. As far as God is concerned sin, death and the devil have been abolished and Jesus is Lord. Because of the doing and the dying of Jesus it is now possible for, "Whosoever that shall call upon the name of the Lord to be saved" Romans 10:13. Salvation by doing nothing more than calling on the name of the Lord.
 

jamie

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Because of the doing and the dying of Jesus it is now possible for, "Whosoever that shall call upon the name of the Lord to be saved" Romans 10:13. Salvation by doing nothing more than calling on the name of the Lord.

What is the basis for your claim that Catholics and others who do not believe as you do are not calling on the name of the Lord?

If they call on the name of the Lord then according to your theory they are saved. If you were saved you would join with others who call on the name of the Lord instead of promoting division.

Men have been calling on the name of the Lord since the days of Enosh.

And as for Seth, to him also a son was born and he named him Enosh. Then men began to call on the name of the LORD.
(Genesis 4:26 NKJV)​
 

Robert Pate

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What is the basis for your claim that Catholics and others who do not believe as you do are not calling on the name of the Lord?

If they call on the name of the Lord then according to your theory they are saved. If you were saved you would join with others who call on the name of the Lord instead of promoting division.

Men have been calling on the name of the Lord since the days of Enosh.

And as for Seth, to him also a son was born and he named him Enosh. Then men began to call on the name of the LORD.
(Genesis 4:26 NKJV)​


Calling on the name of the Lord is an act of faith.

If you believe that the Lord can save you and nothing more is required, you will call on him to save you. Plus nothing more. It is not calling on the name of the Lord plus your trying to keep the commandments that will save you.

Jesus is able to save to the uttermost Hebrews 7:25. He doesn't need your help to save you.
 

jamie

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It is not calling on the name of the Lord plus your trying to keep the commandments that will save you.

Well of course, Manson called on the name of the Lord but he didn't bother with those commandments that you say you can't keep.

I mean if a man can't rape, rob and pillage there's just no fun in life, but they have to call on the name of the Lord to be saved in their sins, right?
 

Robert Pate

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Well of course, Manson called on the name of the Lord but he didn't bother with those commandments that you say you can't keep.

I mean if a man can't rape, rob and pillage there's just no fun in life, but they have to call on the name of the Lord to be saved in their sins, right?


If Manson had called on the name of the Lord to save him he would posses the Holy Spirit. He doesn't have the Spirit.

The Spirit, not the commandments is the Christians guide.

If you need commandments then you must be an evil person, 1 Timothy 1:9, 10.
 

False Prophet

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John Calvin went over Catholic Church doctrine of the one true church, and then he went on to explain how it diverted people away from Christianity to their religion.
 

achduke

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The reason that the Pharisees rejected Jesus was because they already had a savior. The Torah. The Torah was the way, the truth and the life and no man could come to the Father but by the Torah. What the Jews said about the law, (The Torah) John took it and applied it to Jesus, John 14:6.

If the Pharisees were following the Torah like you say Jesus would have never chastised them for following their own traditions instead of the Law of God.

If the Pharisees were following the Torah they would have circumcised their hearts.

Deuteronomy 10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

If the Pharisees were following the Torah they would love God and their brothers and not themselves.

Deuteronomy 6:4-6 4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: 5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. 6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

The Law of God is liberty and freedom.

Psalm 119:44-45 44 So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever. 45 And I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts.

If the Pharisees followed the Law of God they would have been blessed and not cursed.

Deuteronomy 11:26-28 26 Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse; 27 A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day: 28 And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.
 

Robert Pate

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If the Pharisees were following the Torah like you say Jesus would have never chastised them for following their own traditions instead of the Law of God.

If the Pharisees were following the Torah they would have circumcised their hearts.



If the Pharisees were following the Torah they would love God and their brothers and not themselves.



The Law of God is liberty and freedom.



If the Pharisees followed the Law of God they would have been blessed and not cursed.


One of the purposes of the Torah or the law is to show us that we are sinners. We all fall short of the glory of God, Romans 3:23, also Romans 3:20.

The law is Holy just and good because it reveals the righteousness of God.

If the Pharisees would have followed the law they would have known that they were falling short of what is required and that they needed a savior.

But they never did confess that they didn't measure up to God's standards, instead they became hypocrites.
 

achduke

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One of the purposes of the Torah or the law is to show us that we are sinners. We all fall short of the glory of God, Romans 3:23, also Romans 3:20.

The law is Holy just and good because it reveals the righteousness of God.

If the Pharisees would have followed the law they would have known that they were falling short of what is required and that they needed a savior.

But they never did confess that they didn't measure up to God's standards, instead they became hypocrites.
That is correct. They did not follow the Law. They tried to supercede the Law with their own traditions.
 

Robert Pate

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The Spirit guides people to keep God's covenant, which you reject.

You are much like the Pharisees that thought they were keeping God's Covenant.

Jesus refered to them as snakes and hypocrites, Matthew 23.

There is no Spirit in the law, only condemnation.
 

jamie

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If Manson had called on the name of the Lord to save him he would posses the Holy Spirit.

So you're saying Catholics who call on the name of the Lord posses the Holy Spirit?

If you believe that then why are you continually harassing them?

Are you just picking on the Holy Spirit?
 

Robert Pate

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So you're saying Catholics who call on the name of the Lord posses the Holy Spirit?

If you believe that then why are you continually harassing them?

Are you just picking on the Holy Spirit?

I didn't say that, you are saying that.

Catholics don't call on the Lord to save them, they think that they are already saved because they are members of the Catholic church.
 

jamie

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You are much like the Pharisees that thought they were keeping God's Covenant.

The lawyer Paul said he was blameless with regard to the righteousness of the law. Why do you fault him?

Paul said, "Concerning the law, a Pharisee; concerning zeal, persecuting the church; concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless." (Philippians 3:6 NKJV)
 

Robert Pate

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The lawyer Paul said he was blameless with regard to the righteousness of the law. Why do you fault him?

Paul said, "Concerning the law, a Pharisee; concerning zeal, persecuting the church; concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless." (Philippians 3:6 NKJV)

Paul was a good Pharisee. From outward appearances Paul was blameless.

But when Paul met Jesus Christ, he confessed that he was the "Chief of Sinners" 1 Timothy 1:15.
 
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