Reconciled Unto God By Jesus Christ - Not Predestinated

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Robert Pate

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Jesus said, "NO MAN CAN COME TO THE FATHER (GOD) BUT BY ME" John 14:6. God predestinates no one. God is NOT the savior, Jesus is the one that saves and reconciles us to God. Predestionationism is a false doctrine. There is nothing in the Bible about God predestinating anyone to heaven or to hell.

Jesus reconciles us to the Father. The Father does NOTHING outside of the Son. All things are done by and through Jesus Christ and without him nothing is done, Colossians 1:16, 17.

"All things are of God who has reconciled us to himself BY JESUS CHRIST" 2 Corinthians 5:18.

"God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself" 2 Corinthians 5:19.

God chose all of humanity in his Son Jesus Christ before the foundation of the world, Ephesians 1:4. Jesus claims to be the savior of the world. "I came not to judge the world, but to save the world" John 12:47. Jesus is God's new Adam and our new humanity, "If any man be "In Christ" he is a new creation" 2 Corinthians 5:17. We become new creations by faith in Christ.

While we were yet sinners Jesus reconciled us to God, "And you that were sometimes alienated in your mind by wicked works yet now has he reconciled" Colossians 1:21.

Because of the doing and the dying of Jesus, the whole world has been reconciled unto God. God is now at peace with the world and humanity because of Jesus Christ.

"Having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile ALL THINGS unto himself" Colossians 1:20.

Because of the reconciling work of Jesus Christ it is now possible for..."Whosoever that shall call upon the name of the Lord to be saved" Romans 10:13.
 
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patrick jane said:
What about Romans 8:29 KJV - and Romans 8:30 KJV - ?
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What about it?

There is nothing there about anyone being predestinated to heaven or to hell.

Predestinated to be conformed to the image of his Son.

Those that are predestinated to be conformed to the image of his Son were also called.

God forknew that Jesus would be the savior of the world.

What about Romans 8:32 "He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up FOR US ALL".
 
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Robert Pate said:
What about it?

There is nothing there about anyone being predestinated to heaven or to hell.

Predestinated to be conformed to the image of his Son.

Those that are predestinated to be conformed to the image of his Son were also called.

God forknew that Jesus would be the savior of the world.

What about Romans 8:32 "He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up FOR US ALL".
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The very next verses identify who the "us all" Christ was delivered up for:

Rom. 8:33-34
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again,
who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.


So the context proves that the "us all" that Christ was delivered up for is Limited to only God's Elect,
the People He came to Save from their sins Mat. 1:21, according to God's Purpose and Grace given them before the world began:


2 Tim. 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works,
but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began


Eph 1:1-7
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace


The Election of Grace Rom. 11:5 were Chosen and Predestinated in Christ to be God's Adopted Children before the world began.

Not all of humanity without exception, but a Chosen Remnant Is. 1:9, the Seed of Abraham Heb. 2:16 KJV, the Seed of Christ Gal. 3:16.

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Nanja said:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
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The Most High predetermined that salvation by grace would be available through Jesus Christ to all who were willing to accept it.
 
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Nanja said:
The very next verses identify who the "us all" Christ was delivered up for:

Rom. 8:33-34
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again,
who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.


So the context proves that the "us all" that Christ was delivered up for is Limited to only God's Elect,
the People He came to Save from their sins Mat. 1:21, according to God's Purpose and Grace given them before the world began:


2 Tim. 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works,
but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began


Eph 1:1-7
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace


The Election of Grace Rom. 11:5 were Chosen and Predestinated in Christ to be God's Adopted Children before the world began.

Not all of humanity without exception, but a Chosen Remnant Is. 1:9, the Seed of Abraham Heb. 2:16 KJV, the Seed of Christ Gal. 3:16.

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All of the scripture that you posted also applies to all Christians. Not just some selected Calvinist.
 
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Bright Raven said:
God's elect are those accept His Son's sacrifice for their sin.
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Incorrect. Salvation is not of works, but of Grace given God's Elect Saints Eph. 2:8-9.

Furthermore, unless a man is Born of the Spirit, nothing he does,
including accepting anything about God, can please Him Rom. 8:7-8!

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Nanja said:
Incorrect. Salvation is not of works, but of Grace given God's Elect Saints Eph. 2:8-9.

Furthermore, unless a man is Born of the Spirit, nothing he does,
including accepting anything about God, can please Him Rom. 8:7-8!

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I didn't say that it was by works. Belief is not a work. God gives us the grace to believe.

Ephesians 2:4-9 American Standard Version (ASV)

4 but God, being rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5 even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace have ye been saved),

6 and raised us up with him, and made us to sit with him in the heavenly places, in Christ Jesus:

7 that in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus:

8 for by grace have ye been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

9 not of works, that no man should glory.

https://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/is-belief-a-work/
 
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Nanja said:
Furthermore, unless a man is Born of the Spirit...
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Born of the Spirit?

Jesus said. "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit." (John 3:6 NKJV)

How can we tell the difference?

It's easy, those who were born of the flesh bleed, those born of the Spirit don't bleed.
 
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Bright Raven said:
I didn't say that it was by works. Belief is not a work. God gives us the grace to believe.

Ephesians 2:4-9 American Standard Version (ASV)

4 but God, being rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5 even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace have ye been saved),

6 and raised us up with him, and made us to sit with him in the heavenly places, in Christ Jesus:

7 that in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus:

8 for by grace have ye been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

9 not of works, that no man should glory.

https://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/is-belief-a-work/
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Please note:

The Ones God gives Grace to and Loved, and extends His Mercy to in those verses in Eph. 2
are none other than His Chosen Elect. Read Eph. 1 for context.

God's Mercy is only for His Vessels of Mercy Rom. 9:23!

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Nanja said:
Please note:

The Ones God gives Grace to and Loved, and extends His Mercy to in those verses in Eph. 2
are none other than His Chosen Elect. Read Eph. 1 for context.

God's Mercy is only for His Vessels of Mercy Rom. 9:23!

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Romans 4:5 American Standard Version (ASV)

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is reckoned for righteousness.
 
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Bright Raven said:
Romans 4:5 American Standard Version (ASV)

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is reckoned for righteousness.
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The Faith that is reckoned for Righteousness is a Fruit of the Spirit given in New Birth Gal. 5:22.
But what it is not, is something conjured up in the mind of a man still in the flesh Rom. 8:7-8!

No one, of himself, can believe unto Salvation unless it is given by God John 3:27; Phil. 1:29.

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Nanja said:
The Faith that is reckoned for Righteousness is a Fruit of the Spirit given in New Birth Gal. 5:22.
But what it is not, is something conjured up in the mind of a man still in the flesh Rom. 8:7-8!

No one, of himself, can believe unto Salvation unless it is given by God John 3:27; Phil. 1:29.

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Faith is trust. Trust is not a work!
 
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