ECT "Rebellion against Pauline authority"
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Interplanner
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There is no source given, but that doesn't concern me.
this is a hodge-podge of sound-bytes that thinks that just because you say the reign of God is present in the proclamation of Christ as Lord and of his Gospel, that you are automatically RCC or something. Which is not what they proclaim anyway.
There is never another program offered by Christ. There has been no interruption. Everything has taken place as planned, as the end of Rom 16 shows. The term 'epitagen' there is a royal or imperial decree (obviously he did not mean Rome) that the influx of the believers from the nations was planned all along, but not seen (ie mysterious) to Judaism. Because it was through the Gospel not the Law, as Eph 3:6 says.
The resurrection was the enthronement of Christ and is to be preached that way--that he is Lord of this world and that all must obey, and that the resurrection proves he accomplished justification from our sins for us.
There is now another covenant, temple, Lamb, priesthood, tribes, Israel, etc. The time for all things to be made new has come, Acts 3:21. New wine in old wineskins, bursting.
Interplanner
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The babies that nursed while the crucifixion happened were adults when the time of wrath in fulfillment of all that was written took place. You really need to know much more about mid-1st century history in Judea before you hang everything on on a soundbyte. No stones is a figure of speech. It means wasted. It was.
Interplanner
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There is now another covenant, temple, Lamb, priesthood, tribes, Israel, etc. The time for all things to be made new has come, Acts 3:21. New wine in old wineskins, bursting.
Interplanner
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You've missed the whole point, and that is not what preterism is. Preterism is not a retelling of history. That stands on its own. Preterism is some set of beliefs about an age or ongoing period since then, and is often glommed on as much as D'ism.
As you know, before you reduced everything to "two towers" (don't forget the bonus wall--Danoh), Jesus said the place was desolate. That's from Daniel 9. That's why they asked what was going to happen to all of Herod's pretty buildings and what was coming. He resoundingly showed it was all going to be ruined. It was all coming to an end. The "end" probably meant to include the worship system, which Hebrews said more elegantly.
It does not all hinge on what happened with "two towers." 1.5M died. The zealots were stamped out and tried pathetically again in a generation and failed. there were signs from heaven, sounds, thermal activity, the worst of infighting and of other human behavior. It was an awful event by any standard. It was desolated.
When he said that he said 'house.' That's not just a building, it's an institution that was supposed to stand for years.
Interplanner
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There are two many passages otherwise to base a belief on a figure of speech that means the same thing anyway.
You have to provide reasons not dictatorship.
musterion
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I didn't reduce it to that. Christ did in Luke 19:44. Your problem is a lack of belief because of your having bought in to preterism, which now trumps the plain Words of Christ. I wouldn't be in your shoes for anything. You'd best repent of it while there's grace to repent.
Interplanner
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There are two many passages otherwise to base a belief on a figure of speech that means the same thing anyway.
You have to provide reasons not dictatorship.
Interplanner
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Why does Stam just spend 2 minutes? Huge mistake.
Good OP
musterion
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You can't comprehend what it takes only 2 minutes to read. His going longer wouldn't help you.
Interplanner
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Do you have something useful to say or are you a degrading dictator by nature because the actual reasons in scripture have you cornered?
Interplanner
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Christ did no such thing. He mentioned the city surrounded, the sabbath police, and 15 other indicators. It is you who have reduced it to one thing. And you have no reasonable answer about the nursing babies who become adults and go through the DofJ as adults. As far as I know you have no knowledge of 1st century history.
The extreme threats just roll off like pond water on a duck, so try to come up with some thing rational. this is ridiculous. There is no more anti-Christianity in either of us than there is about two ways of baptising, so knock of the know it all warnings to 'repent' about a debate like this. Save it for a perversion or for adultery, understand?
I'm a historian first, then a linguist, then a theologian. I doubt I'm a preterist from what I've heard. The mission of the apostles and the appeal to Israel to save it from the DofJ are historic fact.
:chuckle: Stam himself never held some key aberrations being espoused on TOL as MAD understandings.
You're just being as one sided yourself.
You are often telling people to get off the forum.
Not to mention; the countless posts you start against MAD - not simply incompetently attempting to address beliefs MAD supposedly holds only to continually prove you know nothing of - but hurling derisives at MADs.
Made up, The verses say nothing of the sort.
Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
Act 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
Act 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
Act 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
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