Real Science Radio: Bill Jack is Back, Now at DU Debating Evolution

[Jefferson]

Bill Jack is Back, Now at DU Debating Evolution

This is the show from Friday May 15th, 2015

Summary:

* Bill Jack vs. Travis Barlock at DU: Real Science Radio host Bob Enyart interviews the inimitable Bill Jack, founder of Worldview Academy, guide with BC Tours, and one of the few bakery customers in history who ended up in a lawsuit. Join Bob Enyart and others from Denver Bible Church attending the debate this Sunday evening in Sturm Hall at the University of Denver. And please pray for Bill's debate opponent, Travis Barlock. To prepare, Perhaps Travis might check out any of these Real Science Radio list shows:

RSR's List of Scholars Doubting Darwin
List of Genomes that Just Don't Fit
List of Shocked Evolutionists
List of Missing Transitional Fossils
List of Carbon 14 Everywhere it Shouldn't Be
List of Dinosaur Soft Tissue Journal Papers
List of Fresh Fossils
RSR's List of Not So Old Things





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[The Barbarian]

Hey, was that the film that got those guys sued for plagiarism for copying from Harvard University's Inner Lives of a Cell?

This letter will constitute notice to you, as Chairman of Premise Media Corporation, of the copyright infringement by your corporation, and its subsidiary, Rampant Films, of material produced by XVIVO LLC, in which XVIVO holds a copyright.

It has come to our intention that Premise Media and Rampant Films has produced a film entitled “Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed,” which is scheduled for commercial release and distribution on April 18, 2008. To our knowledge, this film includes a segment depicting biological cellular activity that was copied by computer-generated means from a video entitled “The Inner Life of a Cell.” XVIVO holds the copyright to all the models, processes, and depictions in this video, and has not authorized Premise Media or Rampant Films to make any use of this material.

We have obtained promotional material for the “Expelled” film, presented on a DVD, that clearly shows in the “cell segment” the virtually identical depiction of material from the “Inner Life” video. We particularly refer to the segment of the “Expelled” film purporting to show the “walking” models of kinesic activities in cellular mechanisms. The segments depicting these models in your film are clearly based upon, and copied from, material in the “Inner Life” video.

We have been advised by counsel that this segment in your film constitutes an actionable infringement of XVIVO’s intellectual property rights, as protected by federal statutes, including Section 106 of the Copyright Act, the Visual Artists Rights Act of 1990, and the Digital Millenium Copyright Act of 1998. Each of these statutes provides for judicial enforcement of their provisions, with substantial civil penalties for their infringement.

We have also obtained legal advice that your copying, in virtually identical form, of material in the “inner Life” video clearly meets the legal test of “substantial similarity” between the copied work and our original work.

This letter will also serve as notice to you that XVIVO intends to vigorously and promptly pursue its legal remedies for your copyright infringement, unless and until Premise Media, Rampant Films, and their officers, employees, and agents comply with the following demands:

1) That Premise Media, Rampant Films, and its officers, employees, and agents remove the infringing segment from all copies of the “Expelled” film prior to its scheduled commercial release on or before April 18, 2008;

2) That all copies of the “Inner Life” video in your possession or under your control be returned to XVIVO;

3) That Premise Media notify XVIVO, on or before April 18, 2008, of its compliance with the above demands.

We have been advised, by a telephone conversation with Mellie Bracewell of Premise Media on April 8, 2008, that an e-mail transmission of this letter to her will be promptly forwarded to you. A hard copy of this letter, on XVIVO stationary, will also be sent to you today by express delivery.

We are sure that you will want to avoid legal action in this matter, and urge you to promptly notify us of your compliance with the above demands. You may do so by return e-mail, directed to _____, followed by a hard-copied letter indicating your compliance with the above demands.

http://endogenousretrovirus.blogspot.com/2008/04/expelled-expelled-for-plagiarism.html

 

[The Barbarian]

It's a pretty shabby copy, lower quality, and more than a few technical errors.

Here's the real thing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJyUtbn0O5Y

 

[Jefferson]

Hey, was that the film that got those guys sued for plagiarism for copying from Harvard University's Inner Lives of a Cell?

This letter will constitute notice to you, as Chairman of Premise Media Corporation, of the copyright infringement by your corporation, and its subsidiary, Rampant Films, of material produced by XVIVO LLC, in which XVIVO holds a copyright.

It has come to our intention that Premise Media and Rampant Films has produced a film entitled “Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed,” which is scheduled for commercial release and distribution on April 18, 2008. To our knowledge, this film includes a segment depicting biological cellular activity that was copied by computer-generated means from a video entitled “The Inner Life of a Cell.” XVIVO holds the copyright to all the models, processes, and depictions in this video, and has not authorized Premise Media or Rampant Films to make any use of this material.

We have obtained promotional material for the “Expelled” film, presented on a DVD, that clearly shows in the “cell segment” the virtually identical depiction of material from the “Inner Life” video. We particularly refer to the segment of the “Expelled” film purporting to show the “walking” models of kinesic activities in cellular mechanisms. The segments depicting these models in your film are clearly based upon, and copied from, material in the “Inner Life” video.

We have been advised by counsel that this segment in your film constitutes an actionable infringement of XVIVO’s intellectual property rights, as protected by federal statutes, including Section 106 of the Copyright Act, the Visual Artists Rights Act of 1990, and the Digital Millenium Copyright Act of 1998. Each of these statutes provides for judicial enforcement of their provisions, with substantial civil penalties for their infringement.

We have also obtained legal advice that your copying, in virtually identical form, of material in the “inner Life” video clearly meets the legal test of “substantial similarity” between the copied work and our original work.

This letter will also serve as notice to you that XVIVO intends to vigorously and promptly pursue its legal remedies for your copyright infringement, unless and until Premise Media, Rampant Films, and their officers, employees, and agents comply with the following demands:

1) That Premise Media, Rampant Films, and its officers, employees, and agents remove the infringing segment from all copies of the “Expelled” film prior to its scheduled commercial release on or before April 18, 2008;

2) That all copies of the “Inner Life” video in your possession or under your control be returned to XVIVO;

3) That Premise Media notify XVIVO, on or before April 18, 2008, of its compliance with the above demands.

We have been advised, by a telephone conversation with Mellie Bracewell of Premise Media on April 8, 2008, that an e-mail transmission of this letter to her will be promptly forwarded to you. A hard copy of this letter, on XVIVO stationary, will also be sent to you today by express delivery.

We are sure that you will want to avoid legal action in this matter, and urge you to promptly notify us of your compliance with the above demands. You may do so by return e-mail, directed to _____, followed by a hard-copied letter indicating your compliance with the above demands.

http://endogenousretrovirus.blogspot.com/2008/04/expelled-expelled-for-plagiarism.html

Obfuscation. Please explain how this (obvious intelligent design) could have evolved.

 

[Jefferson]

It's a pretty shabby copy, lower quality, and more than a few technical errors.

Here's the real thing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJyUtbn0O5Y

More obfuscation. Please explain how this (obvious intelligent design) could have evolved.

 

[The Barbarian]

(Barbarian observes, regarding the IDer's plagiarized version)
It's a pretty shabby copy, lower quality, and more than a few
technical errors.

Here's the real thing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJyUtbn0O5Y

More obfuscation.

No. Plagiarism. "Obfuscation" would have been if IDers had tried to change the message of the material they copied and presented as their own...

(Bararian considers)

Ah, O.K., so it's obfuscation, too.

Lots of stuff in that cell; please let me know which feature you're talking about, and we can consider how it evolved.

 

[Stripe]

(Barbarian observes, regarding the IDer's plagiarized version)It's a pretty shabby copy, lower quality, and more than a few technical errors.Here's the real thing:[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJyUtbn0O5Y[/url]No. Plagiarism. "Obfuscation" would have been if IDers had tried to change the message of the material they copied and presented as their own...(Bararian considers)Ah, O.K., so it's obfuscation, too.Lots of stuff in that cell; please let me know which feature you're talking about, and we can consider how it evolved.

When you've picked one and rejected the other among the sources that say "six days" (the Bible) and "billions of years" (you), you might be able to be part of a rational discussion.

 

[The Barbarian]

Stipe chants his mantra:

When you've picked one and rejected the other among the sources that say "six days" (the Bible) and "billions of years" (you), you might be able to be part of a rational discussion.

As you may have noticed, no one cares what you think. Because you play the same false claims again and again as though it was some kind of reasoning.

 

[everready]

Stipe chants his mantra:


As you may have noticed, no one cares what you think. Because you play the same false claims again and again as though it was some kind of reasoning.

You must think pride and arrogance trumps sound doctrine.

Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.


everready

 

[Stripe]

Stipe chants his mantra:As you may have noticed, no one cares what you think. Because you play the same false claims again and again as though it was some kind of reasoning.

Perhaps you can show which of the following premises is false:
The Bible says: "six days."
Barbarian says: "billions of years."

Take your time. :thumb:

 

[The Barbarian]

You must think pride and arrogance trumps sound doctrine.

You act as though you think it does. I don't know if yo do it from pride and arrogance, or not. But you would be better off if you accepted it God's way.

Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

I'd be open to your evidence that Yom in Genesis means "mornings and evenings without a sun to have them."

 

[Stripe]

You act as though you think it does. I don't know if yo do it from pride and arrogance, or not. But you would be better off if you accepted it God's way.Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.I'd be open to your evidence that Yom in Genesis means "mornings and evenings without a sun to have them."

First you need to pick a side. The Bible says "six days." You say: "billions of years." It's one or the other. Choose well. :thumb:

 

[User Name]

I'd be open to your evidence that Yom in Genesis means "mornings and evenings without a sun to have them."

First you need to pick a side. The Bible says "six days." You say: "billions of years." It's one or the other. Choose well.

Can "mornings and evenings without a sun to have them" be demonstrated scientifically?

 

[everready]

You act as though you think it does. I don't know if yo do it from pride and arrogance, or not. But you would be better off if you accepted it God's way.

Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

I'd be open to your evidence that Yom in Genesis means "mornings and evenings without a sun to have them."

You've had evidence upon evidence and you've rejected it every time, its not evidence your after, just what is it your after, you speak as an atheist speaks.


everready

 

[everready]

You don't need evidence Barbarian, evidence won't give you happiness, you need this.

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.

3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:

10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.

12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.

13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.

15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.

16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:

19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.

20 By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.

21 By faith Jacob, when he was a dying, blessed both the sons of Joseph; and worshipped, leaning upon the top of his staff.

22 By faith Joseph, when he died, made mention of the departing of the children of Israel; and gave commandment concerning his bones.

23 By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months of his parents, because they saw he was a proper child; and they were not afraid of the king's commandment.

24 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;

25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;

26 Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.

27 By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.

28 Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them.

29 By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.

30 By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days.

31 By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.

32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:

33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,

34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.

35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:

36 And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:

37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;

38 (Of whom the world was not worthy they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.

39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:

40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.


everready

 

[User Name]

You don't need evidence Barbarian, evidence won't give you happiness, you need this.

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

And yet young-earth creationists seem to want to have their faith validated by science, but as 2 Cor 5:7 tells us, faith doesn't work that way.

 

[everready]

And yet young-earth creationists seem to want to have their faith validated by science, but as 2 Cor 5:7 tells us, faith doesn't work that way.

Its not for us its for those that are in darkness, when your converted its God given faith not the faith of the natural man.

I Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.


everready

 

[The Barbarian]

Barbarian chuckles:
I'd be open to your evidence that Yom in Genesis means "mornings and evenings without a sun to have them."

You've had evidence upon evidence and you've rejected it every time

Everready stamping his foot and insisting his new beliefs are true, is not evidence.

Everready speaks as an atheist speaks:

You don't need evidence Barbarian, evidence won't give you happiness

It gives me the truth. And you fear it, because you fear the truth about your alterations to the Bible.

If you would just accept Him as He is, you wouldn't have to fear the truth. He says that if you follow Him, you'll be happy. Why not give it a try for a change?

 

[The Barbarian]

And yet young-earth creationists seem to want to have their faith validated by science, but as 2 Cor 5:7 tells us, faith doesn't work that way.

They are in awe of science and envy it. So they pretend that they have scientific proof for God.

How silly. Reason and faith can take you there. Science can't.

 

[way 2 go]

Can "mornings and evenings without a sun to have them" be demonstrated scientifically?

Gen 1:1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
Gen 1:2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

it says the evening and the morning were the first day.

1 rotation of the earth = 1 day