Real Science Friday: An Animator's Perspective on Creationism

[Jefferson]

An Animator's Perspective on Creationism

This is the show from Friday, November 30th, 2012.

SUMMARY:



* Computer Animator Eric Donovan on RSF: Mr. Donovan, who's previous animation work helped keep the public safe from nuclear waste, shares with Real Science Friday the insights that arise from the technology when animating the tectonic implications of the global flood.

* UPDATE on NPR Program's Lawsuit Against RSF: As reported by the NY Post in their article, Science radio showdown, National Public Radio host Ira Flatow of their Science Friday program filed suit in the State of New York against Bob Enyart, et al., over the name of our weekly program, Real Science Friday. This week the attorney for RSF filed papers in a Manhattan court and successfully moved the case out of state court and into federal court, which is a more natural venue for our free speech defense. We'll keep you informed! And meanwhile, check out, from a well-known evolutionist, Jerry Coyne's scientific criticism of RSF (and our rebuttal). University of Chicago Professor Coyne's scientific allegation against RSF has already been refuted, not by research done here at Real Science Friday, but by published work from cutting-edge evolutionary geneticists at some of the world's leading institutions.

* Animator's Interest in the Hydroplate Theory: The Hydroplate Theory that Donovan has investigated addresses many observations from the physical sciences, including explaining:
- that the continents do not fit together well against each other, as presented in the Pangaea hypothesis, unless you shrink Africa by 30%, and make other dramatic manipulations.
- that the jigsaw shape of the continents does fit well against the Mid-Atlantic Ridge.
- what formed the 46,000-mile long Mid-oceanic Ridge.
- that the Atlantic Ocean is relatively shallow, whereas the Pacific is relatively deep.
- what formed the deep Pacific trenches including the 36-thousand foot-deep Marianas Trench.
- that the fountains of the great deep launched the solar system's asteroids and comets.
- that Mars is not the source of Antarctica meteorites, but they were launched from Earth.
- that the debris launched from the Earth beat up the moon, which helps to explain why the near-side has suffered much greater impactors.
- that NASA discovered the earth-like composition of comets, fulfilling Dr. Walt Brown's published prediction that they would find one of the most common minerals from Earth, olivine.


* Today's Lesson in the Two-Step:
First Step: Bob says on today's program that, "The secular geologists are disagreeing more and more today with the accepted dogma that the Colorado River carved out the Grand Canyon."
Second Step: A local attorney emails to Bob a link to yesterday's Washington Post story about evolutionary geologists who are rejecting the claim that the Colorado River formed the Grand Canyon.

Today's Resource: You can enjoy the 6-disc standard audio CD set The Hydroplate Theory & Dr. Walt Brown on the Air or get the entire set on a single MP3 CD. Bob Enyart also highly recommends Dr. Walt Brown's fabulous book, In the Beginning! Order by clicking the link, or calling us at 800-8Enyart (800 836-9278)!

 

[gcthomas]

First Step: Bob says on today's program that, "The secular geologists are disagreeing more and more today with the accepted dogma that the Colorado River carved out the Grand Canyon."

This is dishonest: the geologists are saying that there may be evidence of a pre-existing canyon system in the same location dating back to 70 million years ago. The Colorado River would be relegated to only carving the last few hundred metres of depth, which would only have taken a few million years.
:doh:
In the programme, he claims that his favourite, the hydroplate theory, is gaining traction amongst actual scientists. Again not true. I'm sure his faith does not need validating by real scientists, so why does he have to make up such stuff?
:second:

 

[Alate_One]

This is dishonest: the geologists are saying that there may be evidence of a pre-existing canyon system in the same location dating back to 70 million years ago. The Colorado River would be relegated to only carving the last few hundred metres of depth, which would only have taken a few million years.
:doh:
In the programme, he claims that his favourite, the hydroplate theory, is gaining traction amongst actual scientists. Again not true

I'm sure his faith does not need validating by real scientists, so why does he have to make up such stuff?
:second:

Because he has a program to fill! :duh:

He won't talk about science that disagrees with his particular view of the world without having some kind of "answer" for it. And to make it sound credible for his listeners he has to claim scientists are supporting it.

RSF is just a venue for the promotion of Christian Folk Science. The Hydroplate "theory" is a perfect case in point.

Christian Folk Science

 

[Granite]

So the "published work from cutting-edge evolutionary geneticists at some of the world's leading institutions" will remain vague and nameless and if not, hey, why not cherry pick evolutionists whenever it suits because why not, they're good for something.:yawn:

P.S. What exactly is an "evolutionary geneticist"? You realize this little phrase might get you laughed out of a community college, right?

 

[Alate_One]

So the "published work from cutting-edge evolutionary geneticists at some of the world's leading institutions" will remain vague and nameless and if not, hey, why not cherry pick evolutionists whenever it suits because why not, they're good for something.:yawn:

P.S. What exactly is an "evolutionary geneticist"? You realize this little phrase might get you laughed out of a community college, right?

Umm, that phrase doesn't sound silly to me and there are salaries listed for them.

Now whether Bob is using the term accurately is another question and with the very vague and nameless phrase (as you pointed out) he used, we may never know.

 

[Granite]

Umm, that phrase doesn't sound silly to me and there are salaries listed for them.

Now whether Bob is using the term accurately is another question and with the very vague and nameless phrase (as you pointed out) he used, we may never know.

Oh won't we.

 

[The Barbarian]

that the continents do not fit together well against each other, as presented in the Pangaea hypothesis, unless you shrink Africa by 30%, and make other dramatic manipulations.

Well, let's take a look...

The point is, the fit isn't at the shoreline, but at the continental shelves, where the continents actually end.

that the jigsaw shape of the continents does fit well against the Mid-Atlantic Ridge.

I suppose the "expert" isn't aware that the Mid-Atlantic ridge includes the South Atlantic, and yet, the fit there is quite good, too.

what formed the 46,000-mile long Mid-oceanic Ridge.

We can watch what is forming it. It's still going on. We can measure the annual rate of motion (a few centimeters a year)

that the Atlantic Ocean is relatively shallow, whereas the Pacific is relatively deep.

There's about 8% difference; mostly due to the movement of the Americans westward, producing a number of trenches at subduction zones.

what formed the deep Pacific trenches including the 36-thousand foot-deep Marianas Trench.

It's still going on. As the Americas move west, the pacific and other plates are being subducted into the mantle. We can measure that rate, too.

that the fountains of the great deep launched the solar system's asteroids and comets.

The force required to accelerate that much mass would heat the oceans and atmosphere above boiling. The mass of all comets in the solar system is larger than the combined mass of Uranus and Neptune.

So not likely.

that Mars is not the source of Antarctica meteorites, but they were launched from Earth.

Impactors frequently hit the Earth, so it could be argued that the SNC meteorites were broken from the Earth's surface with insufficient energy to escape totally. When the rocks fell back to Earth, they acquired the fusion crust characteristic of meteorites.

The compelling counter-argument to this is that all materials from the Earth have a characteristic composition on a plot of 18O/16O against 17O/16O. As the diagram shows, the oxygen isotopic composition of the SNCs falls on a single line (indicating that they all come from the same planet), but because this line is displaced from the Earth line, the SNCs cannot come from the Earth.
http://www.lifeinuniverse.org/MMorigin-06-01-06-03.html

- that the debris launched from the Earth beat up the moon, which helps to explain why the near-side has suffered much greater impactors.

That would be a remarkably unlikely scenario. Objects falling into Moon's gravity would almost always curve inward, striking the Moon in various places as it rotated on its axis. It only appears to be not rotating, because its period of rotation and period of revolution are nearly the same.

that NASA discovered the earth-like composition of comets, fulfilling Dr. Walt Brown's published prediction that they would find one of the most common minerals from Earth, olivine.

Hydrogen, carbon, nitrogen, and oxygen isotopic compositions are heterogeneous among comet 81P/Wild 2 particle fragments; however, extreme isotopic anomalies are rare, indicating that the comet is not a pristine aggregate of presolar materials. Nonterrestrial nitrogen and neon isotope ratios suggest that indigenous organic matter and highly volatile materials were successfully collected.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17170292

I'm not sure why the doc thinks it's surprising that olivine can form on other bodies made from the same original materials, but he's dead wrong about them being of the same composition. Having formed in different ways, they have different isotope compositions.