ECT R. Jewett explains the climate of 1st century Israel

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"...by the late 40s...persons in the villages of Judea or Galilee who maintained close relationships with gentiles or who did not zealously seek the purity of Israel were in mortal danger. The Zealots patterned themselves after Phineas... Their programme was to continue the works of Judas Maccabeus who had 'destroyed the ungodly out of the land; thus he turned away wrath from Israel' I Macc 38."
--"The Agitators and the Galatian Congregation" NEW TESTAMENT STUDIES #17.
 
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Can you not see that there is nothing of the sort found in the apostles and there is no Judaic trinity in which 'eretz is 1/3, and that the 2nd colossal destruction the city and temple was meant to be finality, in the sense of 'every fact is established by 2 witnesses'? That this was the evil generation that was said to be coming that would be in rebellion against a 4th supervising kingdom that Daniel had said would happen? That that is how the 'city and the sancturary' would be destroyed, but Messiah would be totally successful?
 
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Can you not see that there is nothing of the sort found in the apostles and there is no Judaic trinity in which 'eretz is 1/3, and that the 2nd colossal destruction the city and temple was meant to be finality, in the sense of 'every fact is established by 2 witnesses'? That this was the evil generation that was said to be coming that would be in rebellion against a 4th supervising kingdom that Daniel had said would happen? That that is how the 'city and the sancturary' would be destroyed, but Messiah would be totally successful?
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Huh?
 
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Can you not see that there is nothing of the sort found in the apostles and there is no Judaic trinity in which 'eretz is 1/3, and that the 2nd colossal destruction the city and temple was meant to be finality, in the sense of 'every fact is established by 2 witnesses'? That this was the evil generation that was said to be coming that would be in rebellion against a 4th supervising kingdom that Daniel had said would happen? That that is how the 'city and the sancturary' would be destroyed, but Messiah would be totally successful?
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70ad- God uses the nations to destroy Jerusalem
2nd coming- God protects Jerusalem from the nations

Night vs Day.

Repent and believe the Bible.
 
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SaulToPaul said:
70ad- God uses the nations to destroy Jerusalem
2nd coming- God protects Jerusalem from the nations

Night vs Day.

Repent and believe the Bible.
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God is too busy with the mission to ding around with that. He doesn't flipflop back and forth; that's a D'ist dream. He always was on the mission; Judaism replaced that theology with theirs, which is now yours. Neo-Judaism has been attacking the Gospel since Colossians, or Hebrews. Gal 3 is about that.

God will protect believers, but it may not be in this life: who will separate us from the love of God? Height, depth, peril, sword, famine? But we will conquer through them all. But for the city that was 'shaken-down'? Nada, zip.

You are totally unversed in the NT.
 
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You use 'why did the gentiles have their own court?' as your stopper, instead of what Heb 9 is about. If it mattered, it would be in Heb 9, the official treatment of the meaning of the old covenant temple.

You might just try following the lead of the NT once.
 
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SaulToPaul said:
How many general sections were in the one temple?
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Here is the illustration for us:

This closure to the Most Holy Place was 'an illustration for the present time, indicating that the gifts and sacrifices being offered were not able to clear the conscience of the worshiper. They are only a matter of food and drink and various ceremonial washings--external regulations applying until the time of the new order. But Christ came as high priest...
Heb 9:8-11

That is the official commentary. I don't care to hear your concoction.
 
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Here is the illustration for us:

This closure to the Most Holy Place was 'an illustration for the present time, indicating that the gifts and sacrifices being offered were not able to clear the conscience of the worshiper. They are only a matter of food and drink and various ceremonial washings--external regulations applying until the time of the new order. But Christ came as high priest...
Heb 9:8-11

That is the official commentary. I don't care to hear your concoction.
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How many general sections were in the one temple?
 
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SaulToPaul said:
70ad- God uses the nations to destroy Jerusalem
2nd coming- God protects Jerusalem from the nations

Night vs Day.

Repent and believe the Bible.
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Interesting point.

There's a problem of chronology, too. Revelation (which talks about the nations gathering against Jerusalem) is mostly agreed to have been written after Jerusalem's destruction in 70AD.

It seems improbable that the author was looking back on a historical event... and got the outcome wrong. Even a false prophet could do better than that.
 
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Wick Stick said:
Interesting point.

There's a problem of chronology, too. Revelation (which talks about the nations gathering against Jerusalem) is mostly agreed to have been written after Jerusalem's destruction in 70AD.

It seems improbable that the author was looking back on a historical event... and got the outcome wrong. Even a false prophet could do better than that.
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Hold on. Rev's destruction of the harlot by the beast is Rome turning on Jerusalem in the 1st century. So you must mean ch 20:9 at the end of this present kingdom, which is against all believers not Israel the race or state, and is an instantaneous victory, not an affair of several years.

The thing was written during the event to help them (Judean Christians) know how to respond to such loss and to watch out for 'those who are not Jews'--in the new sense.

As usual STP has confused the race/state for protection, when the OT meant the Christian community the whole time, for which the race/state was imagery only. Heb 12:22+
 
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Wick Stick said:
My favorite part was he addressed it to you, while responding to my post. :wave2:
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It's to you Wick, the STP thing was an aside. It is not at all made up that STP thinks the OT is offering the race/state the protection it speaks of, when it was always about believers. right through Isaiah, it distinguishes between the race/state and believers who are in Israel as well as those outside

If you don't make that distinction with Isaiah, you will not understand the NT, and you will go hunting in modern Jerusalem for granite marked "Salvation" and "Praise" like the archeology doc at Pureflix. That is how literalism is mindless and Christless. Hopefully Christ will be 'formed' in you--your thinking.

As usual STP is totally unclear when there are two strong reference points in the post he is speaking about (the race/state issue or heb 12:22+). He has lalophobia--the fear of saying anything completely. It's so much better to be curt.
 
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