POPE SAME AS JESUS

OCTOBER23

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Boniface said that the Pope is King of Kings

which is the same as JESUS
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Pope = Antichrist
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Boniface VIII’s Bull Unam Sanctam
By Richard Cavendish
Published in History Today Volume 52 Issue 11 November 2002

Pope Boniface VIII issued the papal bull Unam Sanctam, the most famous papal document of the Middle Ages, on November 18th, 1302.
Statue of Boniface VIII
Cardinal Benedict Gaetani, a canon lawyer and diplomat from a leading Roman family who had spent many years working his way up in the papal government, was chosen pope in 1294 to replace the elderly Celestine V, a saintly former hermit who found himself totally out of his depth. Boniface, who had encouraged Celestine to resign, locked the old man away in a castle, where he died before long. The new pope quickly found himself in conflict with Philip IV (the Fair) of France and Edward I of England. The strong-minded rulers of these developing European nation-states would not allow undue papal meddling in their affairs and were supported by many of their clergy. Already in 1296 Boniface issued a bull forbidding governments to tax the clergy without papal permission, but he had to drop it against Philip the Fair's countermeasures and a suspiciously convenient rising against Boniface by the Colonna family in Rome, which took time to put down.

In 1301 King Philip had a French bishop tried for treason and imprisoned. This was intolerable and Boniface issued a reproving bull, which in 1302 was decisively rejected by the Estates General, even the French clergy supporting their king. Boniface announced that he would depose Philip if need be and issued the bull Unam Sanctam(‘One Holy’),the most famous papal document of the Middle Ages, affirming the authority of the pope as the heir of Peter and Vicar of Christ over all human authorities, spiritual and temporal. Spiritual power, according to the bull, rests in the hands of the Church. Temporal power is in the hands of kings and soldiers, but is to be exercised only as the Church permits, because things spiritual are superior to things temporal. If temporal power errs, it is to be judged by the spiritual power. If lesser spiritual power errs, it is to be judged by higher spiritual power all the way up to the supreme spiritual power, the papacy itself, which can be judged only by God. 'We declare, state and define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.'

The pope went on in 1303 to confirm the disputed choice of Albert of Hapsburg as Holy Roman Emperor and announce that the emperor was overlord of all other rulers, including the king of France. Under the ultimate supremacy of the pope.

Boniface may not have made any greater claims for papal authority than canon lawyers and some of his predecessors had made before him, but he was shouting vigorously against the wind. King Philip's response was to accuse him of crimes from heresy and blasphemy to simony and sodomy, and send his henchman Guillaume de Nogaret to Italy to stir up another rebellion against the pope. In September, with the help of the Colonnas and some of the cardinals, Boniface was seized, threatened with death and manhandled at his summer residence at Anagni. The townspeople rescued him two days later, but the shock broke him physically and psychologically, and he died in Rome soon afterwards, in October. Clement V, who became pope two years later, was French and in 1309 the throne of Peter was moved from Rome to Avignon in France.
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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Boniface said that the Pope is King of Kings

which is the same as JESUS
---------------------------------
Pope = Antichrist
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Boniface VIII’s Bull Unam Sanctam
By Richard Cavendish
Published in History Today Volume 52 Issue 11 November 2002

Pope Boniface VIII issued the papal bull Unam Sanctam, the most famous papal document of the Middle Ages, on November 18th, 1302.
Statue of Boniface VIII
Cardinal Benedict Gaetani, a canon lawyer and diplomat from a leading Roman family who had spent many years working his way up in the papal government, was chosen pope in 1294 to replace the elderly Celestine V, a saintly former hermit who found himself totally out of his depth. Boniface, who had encouraged Celestine to resign, locked the old man away in a castle, where he died before long. The new pope quickly found himself in conflict with Philip IV (the Fair) of France and Edward I of England. The strong-minded rulers of these developing European nation-states would not allow undue papal meddling in their affairs and were supported by many of their clergy. Already in 1296 Boniface issued a bull forbidding governments to tax the clergy without papal permission, but he had to drop it against Philip the Fair's countermeasures and a suspiciously convenient rising against Boniface by the Colonna family in Rome, which took time to put down.

In 1301 King Philip had a French bishop tried for treason and imprisoned. This was intolerable and Boniface issued a reproving bull, which in 1302 was decisively rejected by the Estates General, even the French clergy supporting their king. Boniface announced that he would depose Philip if need be and issued the bull Unam Sanctam(‘One Holy’),the most famous papal document of the Middle Ages, affirming the authority of the pope as the heir of Peter and Vicar of Christ over all human authorities, spiritual and temporal. Spiritual power, according to the bull, rests in the hands of the Church. Temporal power is in the hands of kings and soldiers, but is to be exercised only as the Church permits, because things spiritual are superior to things temporal. If temporal power errs, it is to be judged by the spiritual power. If lesser spiritual power errs, it is to be judged by higher spiritual power all the way up to the supreme spiritual power, the papacy itself, which can be judged only by God. 'We declare, state and define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.'

The pope went on in 1303 to confirm the disputed choice of Albert of Hapsburg as Holy Roman Emperor and announce that the emperor was overlord of all other rulers, including the king of France. Under the ultimate supremacy of the pope.

Boniface may not have made any greater claims for papal authority than canon lawyers and some of his predecessors had made before him, but he was shouting vigorously against the wind. King Philip's response was to accuse him of crimes from heresy and blasphemy to simony and sodomy, and send his henchman Guillaume de Nogaret to Italy to stir up another rebellion against the pope. In September, with the help of the Colonnas and some of the cardinals, Boniface was seized, threatened with death and manhandled at his summer residence at Anagni. The townspeople rescued him two days later, but the shock broke him physically and psychologically, and he died in Rome soon afterwards, in October. Clement V, who became pope two years later, was French and in 1309 the throne of Peter was moved from Rome to Avignon in France.

Spare us the history lessons. They are boring and unreadable.
 

chrysostom

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read your bible
and
you will find
that
the antichrist denies the Father and the Son
the pope does not deny the Father and the Son
never has
never will
thank you for the opportunity to clear this up
 

KingdomRose

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Boniface said that the Pope is King of Kings

which is the same as JESUS
---------------------------------
Pope = Antichrist
---------------------------------
Boniface VIII’s Bull Unam Sanctam
By Richard Cavendish
Published in History Today Volume 52 Issue 11 November 2002

Pope Boniface VIII issued the papal bull Unam Sanctam, the most famous papal document of the Middle Ages, on November 18th, 1302.
Statue of Boniface VIII
Cardinal Benedict Gaetani, a canon lawyer and diplomat from a leading Roman family who had spent many years working his way up in the papal government, was chosen pope in 1294 to replace the elderly Celestine V, a saintly former hermit who found himself totally out of his depth. Boniface, who had encouraged Celestine to resign, locked the old man away in a castle, where he died before long. The new pope quickly found himself in conflict with Philip IV (the Fair) of France and Edward I of England. The strong-minded rulers of these developing European nation-states would not allow undue papal meddling in their affairs and were supported by many of their clergy. Already in 1296 Boniface issued a bull forbidding governments to tax the clergy without papal permission, but he had to drop it against Philip the Fair's countermeasures and a suspiciously convenient rising against Boniface by the Colonna family in Rome, which took time to put down.

In 1301 King Philip had a French bishop tried for treason and imprisoned. This was intolerable and Boniface issued a reproving bull, which in 1302 was decisively rejected by the Estates General, even the French clergy supporting their king. Boniface announced that he would depose Philip if need be and issued the bull Unam Sanctam(‘One Holy’),the most famous papal document of the Middle Ages, affirming the authority of the pope as the heir of Peter and Vicar of Christ over all human authorities, spiritual and temporal. Spiritual power, according to the bull, rests in the hands of the Church. Temporal power is in the hands of kings and soldiers, but is to be exercised only as the Church permits, because things spiritual are superior to things temporal. If temporal power errs, it is to be judged by the spiritual power. If lesser spiritual power errs, it is to be judged by higher spiritual power all the way up to the supreme spiritual power, the papacy itself, which can be judged only by God. 'We declare, state and define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.'

The pope went on in 1303 to confirm the disputed choice of Albert of Hapsburg as Holy Roman Emperor and announce that the emperor was overlord of all other rulers, including the king of France. Under the ultimate supremacy of the pope.

Boniface may not have made any greater claims for papal authority than canon lawyers and some of his predecessors had made before him, but he was shouting vigorously against the wind. King Philip's response was to accuse him of crimes from heresy and blasphemy to simony and sodomy, and send his henchman Guillaume de Nogaret to Italy to stir up another rebellion against the pope. In September, with the help of the Colonnas and some of the cardinals, Boniface was seized, threatened with death and manhandled at his summer residence at Anagni. The townspeople rescued him two days later, but the shock broke him physically and psychologically, and he died in Rome soon afterwards, in October. Clement V, who became pope two years later, was French and in 1309 the throne of Peter was moved from Rome to Avignon in France.

There are thousands of things that besmirch the RCC and the popes, and all anybody has to do is read historical books. It's all right out there for people to read and learn, but most people prefer to remain blind to it. (Check out the Borgias! What a mess!)
 

Cruciform

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Its not a straw man... I have heard him speak.
Your claim that Pope Francis is "more interested in Mary than he is of the Father and Son" is indeed a straightforward Straw Man Fallacy. In any case, the Marian doctrines all ultimately point to Jesus Christ anyway, so any "either/or" argument on your part is simply false. As Mary herself said: "Do whatever He tells you" (Jn. 2:5).

When he came here to Philly to speak... Jesus was not on the agenda.
Sure he was (see above).



Gaudium de veritate,

Cruciform
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KingdomRose

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Just another excuse to bash Catholics with absolutely nothing solid to base it on.

There is a whole LOT of stuff to base it on. If somebody were to come out blazing with both barrels, you still wouldn't believe it. There have been so many expose's (as in ex-po-zays) on the goings-on concerning the Church! And yet you still say there is "nothing." Incredible.

:nightall: Sleep on.
 

glassjester

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There is a whole LOT of stuff to base it on. If somebody were to come out blazing with both barrels, you still wouldn't believe it. There have been so many expose's (as in ex-po-zays) on the goings-on concerning the Church! And yet you still say there is "nothing." Incredible.

:nightall: Sleep on.

You cannot point out a single false doctrine of the Church.
 

OCTOBER23

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jester said,

You cannot point out a single false doctrine of the Church.
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THE WHOLE PAGAN CATHOLIC IDOL WORSHIPPING CHURCH IS FALSE.

POPE BOWS TO STATUE OF MARY AND KISSES A STONE BABY FOR XMAS CELEBRATIONS.

THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS KILLED MILLIONS OF CHRISTIANS OVER THE YEARS.

THEY HUNTED THE WALDENSIENS DOWN AND SUFFOCATED THE LAST OF THEM IN A CAVE

JUST BECAUSE THEY WOULD NOT ATTEND CATHOLIC MASS.
 

glassjester

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jester said,

You cannot point out a single false doctrine of the Church.
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THE WHOLE PAGAN CATHOLIC IDOL WORSHIPPING CHURCH IS FALSE.

POPE BOWS TO STATUE OF MARY AND KISSES A STONE BABY FOR XMAS CELEBRATIONS.

THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS KILLED MILLIONS OF CHRISTIANS OVER THE YEARS.

THEY HUNTED THE WALDENSIENS DOWN AND SUFFOCATED THE LAST OF THEM IN A CAVE

JUST BECAUSE THEY WOULD NOT ATTEND CATHOLIC MASS.

Here's the entire catechism.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM

Find one false teaching. Go on. Give it a serious try.
 

OCTOBER23

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JESTER asked find one False Teaching.

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The Catholic Church states that Abraham was the Father of Obedience and Faith

and yet the Catholic Church does NOT Believe or have Faith in God the Father or Obey Him

but they believe in the Ruling of the Catholic Church and

the POPE, the King of Kings and Monarch of the Catholic Church.:devil:

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The Catholic Church "VENERATES " Mary.

Which is the same as WORSHIPS MARY

Venerate = revere, regard highly, reverence, worship, hallow,

hold sacred, exalt, vaunt, adore, honor, respect, esteem
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Catechism of the Catholic Church

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PART ONE: THE PROFESSION OF FAITH
SECTION ONE "I BELIEVE" - "WE BELIEVE"
CHAPTER THREE MAN'S RESPONSE TO GOD
Article 1 I BELIEVE
I. The Obedience of Faith
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Article 1

I BELIEVE


I. The Obedience of Faith

144 To obey (from the Latin ob-audire, to "hear or listen to") in faith is to submit freely to the word that has been heard, because its truth is guaranteed by God, who is Truth itself. Abraham is the model of such obedience offered us by Sacred Scripture. the Virgin Mary is its most perfect embodiment.

Abraham - "father of all who believe"

145 The Letter to the Hebrews, in its great eulogy of the faith of Israel's ancestors, lays special emphasis on Abraham's faith: "By faith, Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to a place which he was to receive as an inheritance; and he went out, not knowing where he was to go."4 By faith, he lived as a stranger and pilgrim in the promised land.5 By faith, Sarah was given to conceive the son of the promise. and by faith Abraham offered his only son in sacrifice.6

146 Abraham thus fulfils the definition of faith in Hebrews 11:1: "Faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen":7 "Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness."8 Because he was "strong in his faith", Abraham became the "father of all who believe".9

147 The Old Testament is rich in witnesses to this faith. the Letter to the Hebrews proclaims its eulogy of the exemplary faith of the ancestors who "received divine approval".10 Yet "God had foreseen something better for us": the grace of believing in his Son Jesus, "the pioneer and perfecter of our faith".11

Mary - "Blessed is she who believed"

148 The Virgin Mary most perfectly embodies the obedience of faith. By faith Mary welcomes the tidings and promise brought by the angel Gabriel, believing that "with God nothing will be impossible" and so giving her assent: "Behold I am the handmaid of the Lord; let it be [done] to me according to your word."12 Elizabeth greeted her: "Blessed is she who believed that there would be a fulfilment of what was spoken to her from the Lord."13 It is for this faith that all generations have called Mary blessed.14

149 Throughout her life and until her last ordeal15 when Jesus her son died on the cross, Mary's faith never wavered. She never ceased to believe in the fulfilment of God's word. and so the Church venerates in Mary the purest realization of faith.
 

patrick jane

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JESTER asked find one False Teaching.


148 The Virgin Mary most perfectly embodies the obedience of faith. By faith Mary welcomes the tidings and promise brought by the angel Gabriel, believing that "with God nothing will be impossible" and so giving her assent: "Behold I am the handmaid of the Lord; let it be [done] to me according to your word."12 Elizabeth greeted her: "Blessed is she who believed that there would be a fulfilment of what was spoken to her from the Lord."13 It is for this faith that all generations have called Mary blessed.14

149 Throughout her life and until her last ordeal15 when Jesus her son died on the cross, Mary's faith never wavered. She never ceased to believe in the fulfilment of God's word. and so the Church venerates in Mary the purest realization of faith.

There's Something About Mary
 
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