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I just finished reading Donald Crittick's book The Puzzle of Ancient Men. I have to say thanks for the recommendation. That's a small but very powerful book. I love how Crittick draws the parallels between creation, scripture, and the, to evolutionists, very unpopular history of technology found around the world. His use of logic is some of the best I've seen.
 

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I just finished reading Donald Crittick's book The Puzzle of Ancient Men. I have to say thanks for the recommendation. That's a small but very powerful book. I love how Crittick draws the parallels between creation, scripture, and the, to evolutionists, very unpopular history of technology found around the world. His use of logic is some of the best I've seen.

I'm glad to hear you enjoyed it, ffreeloader. It's been a few years since I read it, but I remember really liking it, too, and I'm sure I'll eventually get back to it for another read, and to take some notes. I like to think of it sort of as a succinct primer on its topic. It really makes you want to delve deeply into the subject. Now that I think of it, Master Books (the outfit that publishes materials for Answers In Genesis) has a couple of attractive books by one, Don Landis, more or less (if I'm not mistaken) in the same vein as Chittick's book (but (I think) more recently published than Chittick's book, and with a lot of top-notch, full color illustrations and nice formatting). Their titles are The Genius of Ancient Man, and The Secrets of Ancient Man, a copy of both of which I'd like to eventually get into my hands to peruse.
 

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"Unpopular history of technology"? What is this referring to?

Rene Noorbergen published a book back in the late 70s or early 80s titled Secrets of the Lost Races. It documents hundreds of what Noorbergen calls ooparts--out of place artifacts--which show very advanced civilizations and technology in humanity's past. He ties the evidence closely to the flood as he was a big time researcher and searcher for the ark. Crittick's book documents a lesser amount of ooparts but ties them very closely to the flood and to the creation story found in the Bible. Thus, for evolutionists, this is very unpopular history for shoots down the slow development of mankind over eons of time.

For example, the Mayan calendar is more accurate than the calendar we use today. Computers have shown their calendar to be off by only 2 ten thousandths of a day. It also lists day 0 as very close to the date of creation, yet they were pagans. These artifacts of history are found throughout the planet but you'll never hear of them unless you read books like Crittick's or Noorbergen's. They are published by small publishing companies as the large companies refuse to publish them as they are too closely tied to evolution.
 

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Wow!!! Fascinating... Thanks for info

You're welcome. I figured there would be people here interested in this.

One other very interesting oopart. An Ottoman empire admiral mapmaker copied the map from maps that were made in the past lost even to him. The map itself shows Antarctica. Not the Antarctica covered with ice, but the continent of Antarctica before it was covered in ice. It shows all the physical geography of Antarctica very accurately. It wasn't until we had tools to look under the ice that we could verify a mountain range that he included. Oh, he made this map in the year 1513. THE map itself is far more accurate, in fact when adjusted from a 4.5% error in size known to be made only by one Greek mapmaker who also made a copy of it and put his error into his copy, it is as accurate as our maps today.

There is more to the story of the map but this ought to be enough to pique your interest a little more.

Both books are well worth the time to read.
 

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One other very interesting oopart. An Ottoman empire admiral mapmaker copied the map from maps that were made in the past lost even to him. The map itself shows Antarctica. Not the Antarctica covered with ice, but the continent of Antarctica before it was covered in ice. It shows all the physical geography of Antarctica very accurately. It wasn't until we had tools to look under the ice that we could verify a mountain range that he included. Oh, he made this map in the year 1513. THE map itself is far more accurate, in fact when adjusted from a 4.5% error in size known to be made only by one Greek mapmaker who also made a copy of it and put his error into his copy, it is as accurate as our maps today.

There is more to the story of the map but this ought to be enough to pique your interest a little more.

Both books are well worth the time to read.

Don't tell DFT_Dave about this...
 

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Don't tell DFT_Dave about this...

LOL. I'll give him a little more info here that I forgot to put into the post about the map. The cartographer's name was Piri Reis and you can find several web pages about the map by doing a search for his name. I haven't seen as much detail on those pages as what Crittick and Noorbergen gave, but there is info online about the map.
 

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That is some pretty cool / interesting stuff. So..... What is the thinking (secular and Christian)as to where this knowledge about Antarctica came from?

Secularists do their best to avoid it and have no way of explaining it. As a Christian I think it is true. God created man with far more brain power and vitality than we now have. Thus, the idea that we are far more advanced technologically than the antedeluvians and the first few post-flood generations is not very credible when viewed Biblically. There is archeological evidence that many post-flood civilizations arose about the same time in a state of full development. The technical ability they had was more than enough to allow them to survey the earth. The Bible tells us in Genesis 10:25 that the earth was "divided" in the days of Peleg. Thus, before the icecaps were formed on the poles of the earth the descendants of Noah were out surveying the earth. Remember it was just about this time that God scattered the people over the face of the earth so this whole scenario ties into the Biblical record.

That is a very brief synopsis of all that Noorbergen and Crittick have to say. They provide a lot of evidence for this that pretty much requires someone to read both books to really understand it. What I summarized in one paragraph is covered by 2 or 3 chapters from the two books.

Both books are still in print so they can be purchased new or used.
 

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Take a peek through the table of contents and preface to this 1877 book:

The Prehistoric Use of Iron and Steel: With Observations on Certain Matters Ancillary Thereto

I haven't read this book yet, but, at a glance, at least, it looks to me like it may well nicely comport with the subjects of the books you and I have been talking about.

I like it already. Here is the 4th paragraph of the preface.

It is so palpable as to require no detailed exposition, that all attempts which may be made to get at a true picture of the early days of mankind must inevitably fail of that realisation, when those attempts are based upon an ideal of the human race, as we behold it in our own day, and more especially in those cases where a start is made, as it now usually is, with the doctrine of evolution and the progressive development of the human race as one of the premisses. Of course, accepting any theory as a foregone conclusion, we are at once bound hand and foot; and words are not necessary to prove that all evidence which does not quite fit thereinto, must of necessity be cast aside—for "while "the premisses stand firm, it is impossible to shape "the conclusion." Thus it happens when the fashion of the student is to become a " specialist"—the fashion in short of the present age—should he meet with evidence slightly awry with theory, it is either at once passed over, or but slightly referred to; or he indeed sometimes goes right off as far as he can get from the fundamental bearing of things. There is cause, indeed, then, to beware of the "specialist" school, for is it possible that the things which do appear can infallibly be cast aside ?—yet, as the condition of society now is, it is easier far to pin our faith in the utterances of popular dictators, who inspire us ever and anon with a new and startling theory, than investigate for ourselves.
 

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Thanks for the link. I downloaded an epub version of the book and will read it.

Man, you don't mess around!

One caveat for you about the epub, though, versus the PDF. If you downloaded it off of Google Books, the text may well be merely the rough OCR output from the PDF scan of the original book. That being the case, you may run into a few (or very, very many) errors in the text since, likely, the OCR text has not been gone over, cleaned up, corrected, and formatted by human editorship. And, I'm talking like huge chunks of text where virtually every word has at least one character that has been garbled, often rendering a mass of gibberish under which is barely recognizable what was written in the original document. At least, that has been my experience, from the times I've downloaded the text (*.epub, *.mobi) versions of old books from Google Books, and archive.org. However, ever since I got myself a Galaxy tablet a couple years ago, I stopped finding as much of a need for downloading old books in epub, or mobi, formats, because the tablet can hold sooooooo much more (in terms of memory (and thus, in terms of books)) than my old Kindle could hold, and so, the larger file sizes of the facsimile PDFs compared to the trifling sizes of the text files is no real issue. So, I just download the facsimile PDFs. Besides, in most cases, I really prefer the image of the original typeface, anyway, over the appearance of the sometimes drab, sterile-seeming system font.

On the other hand, though, as far as I know, as nerds are always making improvements in computer technology, OCR technology is no exception, and so, perhaps it's the case that the rough output of an OCR scan of more recent times is drastically much cleaner, and less error-laden, than one of, say, 5 years ago.
 

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Man, you don't mess around!

One caveat for you about the epub, though, versus the PDF. If you downloaded it off of Google Books, the text may well be merely the rough OCR output from the PDF scan of the original book. That being the case, you may run into a few (or very, very many) errors in the text since, likely, the OCR text has not been gone over, cleaned up, corrected, and formatted by human editorship. And, I'm talking like huge chunks of text where virtually every word has at least one character that has been garbled, often rendering a mass of gibberish under which is barely recognizable what was written in the original document. At least, that has been my experience, from the times I've downloaded the text (*.epub, *.mobi) versions of old books from Google Books, and archive.org. However, ever since I got myself a Galaxy tablet a couple years ago, I stopped finding as much of a need for downloading old books in epub, or mobi, formats, because the tablet can hold sooooooo much more (in terms of memory (and thus, in terms of books)) than my old Kindle could hold, and so, the larger file sizes of the facsimile PDFs compared to the trifling sizes of the text files is no real issue. So, I just download the facsimile PDFs. Besides, in most cases, I really prefer the image of the original typeface, anyway, over the appearance of the sometimes drab, sterile-seeming system font.

On the other hand, though, as far as I know, as nerds are always making improvements in computer technology, OCR technology is no exception, and so, perhaps it's the case that the rough output of an OCR scan of more recent times is drastically much cleaner, and less error-laden, than one of, say, 5 years ago.

Yeah, I found out long ago that epubs from googlebooks were really lousy. This one, though, has very few errors. They must have upgraded their ocr software, or the original was in a format that was really easy for ocr to read. I downloaded a pdf copy at the same time, just in case, but it turns out I don't need it. I just prefer epub over pdf. Most of my 3200 ebooks are epub. I have a handful of mobi and maybe 100-150 pdf the rest are all epub.

I use a software package called gimagereader that has tesseract ocr integrated with it to get text from images, usually jpg files from a scanner, and it rarely makes mistakes if the text in the image is large enough. Probably equal to a 16 pt font works like a charm. I can scan and convert to text 10 or 15 pages out of a book and have only 2 or 3 errors to correct.

BTW, I have gotten a half dozen chapters into Crittick's The Controversy on the origins of the creation/evolution debate and find it outstanding. His analysis of the debate between the two sides is the best I've seen. And he demonstrates how to defuse the evolutionist's claim to science. In fact, he pretty much destroys that claim. Thanks for pointing it out to me. It's an excellent read.
 
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