ECT Other evidences that Jesus is equal to Father God

ZacharyB

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Other evidences that the Father and Son are totally equal in unity and purpose

• John 14:10-11 “Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me?
… Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me”
• John 12:45 “And he who sees Me sees Him who sent Me.”
• John 14:7-11 “If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also;
and from now on you know Him and have seen Him … He who has seen Me
has seen the Father … Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me”
• John 14:28 “I said, ‘I am going to the Father’, for My Father is greater than I.”
Jesus not only spoke this out of humility, but it was obviously the utmost reality.
While walking around in a human body, how could Jesus be Father God’s equal?
Part God and part man on earth surely is much less than Father God in heaven!
• John 17:5 “the glory which I had with You before the world was.”
Surely, no angel ever shared the glory of Almighty God at any time!


Jesus claimed equality with Father God
• Matthew 4:7 “You shall not tempt the Lord your God.”
• John 5:18 “(Jesus) said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.”
• John 5:23 “that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father.
He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.”
• John 10:33 “(we stone you) because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”
• John 10:36 “(I am blaspheming) because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?
• John 10:38 “that you may know and believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him.”
• John 14:9 “He who has seen Me has seen the Father”
• John 17:22 “that they may be one just as We are one”
• John 20:28-29 “And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed.
Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”


Jesus is the Sustainer of all things now
• “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth,
visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers.
All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things,
and in Him all things consist.” (Colossians 1:15-17)
• “God … has in these last days spoken to us by His Son,
whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;
who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person,
and upholding all things by the word of His power …” (Hebrews 1:1-3)


Jesus holds all power and authority over our world.
If He were to say, “All electrons slow down!” …or… “All electrons speed up!”,
our world (and we with it) would instantly disappear into nothing!
And people say that Jesus is not God, nor even equal to Father God!
Here’s the explanation of “disappear into nothing” …

Molecular scientists say only one-millionth of an atom consists of solid matter,
and all the rest is empty space!

At the center of an atom is a positively-charged nucleus.
At a relatively great distance from the nucleus are one or more negatively-charged
electrons, which circle around the nucleus at an incredible speed.
This is similar to a fan blade … both the atom and the fan appear to be totally SOLID.

The Force-A of attraction between the electron (negative) and the nucleus (positive)
must be exactly equal to the Force-B velocity of the moving electron …
in order for it to maintain its’ perfect circular pattern.

IF Jesus commanded, “All electrons slow down” …
Forces-A would be greater than Forces-B, causing all electrons to collapse into their nuclei.

IF Jesus commanded, “All electrons speed up” …
Forces-B would be greater than Forces-A, causing all electrons to fly off into space.

IF Jesus commanded either of these two things …
all atoms would disintegrate (disappear), leaving basically nothing at all.

Hey, welcome to the real world!
 

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Other evidences that the Father and Son are totally equal in unity and purpose

• John 14:10-11 “Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me?
… Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me”
• John 12:45 “And he who sees Me sees Him who sent Me.”
• John 14:7-11 “If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also;
and from now on you know Him and have seen Him … He who has seen Me
has seen the Father … Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me”
• John 14:28 “I said, ‘I am going to the Father’, for My Father is greater than I.”
Jesus not only spoke this out of humility, but it was obviously the utmost reality.
While walking around in a human body, how could Jesus be Father God’s equal?
Part God and part man on earth surely is much less than Father God in heaven!
• John 17:5 “the glory which I had with You before the world was.”
Surely, no angel ever shared the glory of Almighty God at any time!


Jesus claimed equality with Father God
• Matthew 4:7 “You shall not tempt the Lord your God.”
• John 5:18 “(Jesus) said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.”
• John 5:23 “that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father.
He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.”
• John 10:33 “(we stone you) because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”
• John 10:36 “(I am blaspheming) because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?
• John 10:38 “that you may know and believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him.”
• John 14:9 “He who has seen Me has seen the Father”
• John 17:22 “that they may be one just as We are one”
• John 20:28-29 “And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed.
Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

Question When did Peter, James and John fully understand what Jesus said about Himself that even them witnessing His transfiguration wasn't quite sufficient?
 

ZacharyB

Active member
Question When did Peter, James and John fully understand what Jesus said about Himself
that even them witnessing His transfiguration wasn't quite sufficient?

I dunno, but they sure didn't have the Holy Spirit when Jesus was with them.
Of course, all of these verses were not for them,
but for many millions of people in the future!
 

Cross Reference

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I dunno, but they sure didn't have the Holy Spirit when Jesus was with them.

Sure they did. He was WITH them and Jesus told them that He would soon be IN them.

In this order to see the picture clearly: cf John14:17 KJV >>> John 20:22 KJV >>> (UPON) Luke 24:49. Total = Three (3) manifestations of the Holy Spirit.


Now I ask again, when did they know because they still had not fully understood. Obviously I am asking you to meditate on this.
 

ZacharyB

Active member
Sure they did. He was WITH them and Jesus told them that He would soon be IN them.
In this order to see the picture clearly: cf John14:17 KJV >>> John 20:22 KJV >>> (UPON) Luke 24:49. Total = Three (3) manifestations of the Holy Spirit.
Now I ask again, when did they know because they still had not fully understood.
Obviously I am asking you to meditate on this.
Obviously, thou shouldest contemplate retirement again.
And thanks for the clear picture ... lol

Jesus said the Father would send the Holy Spirit AFTER He ascended into heaven.
PRIOR to this event, the Holy Spirit was sent UPON some people,
butski not INSIDE, vich is the case with a "born-again" person.
 

1Mind1Spirit

Literal lunatic
Why, when you need my help? LOL!

Btw: Can you point out where the Holy Spirit ever came upon anyone before Pentecost other than Mary being overshadowed?

2 Peter 1:21 KJV


21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.





It began with Adam.



Genesis 2:24 KJV


24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.




How about Lamech?

You will say.......

What?

You mean a descendant of Cain was moved by the Holy Spirit?

Let's see.......




24 If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.
 
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2 Peter 1:21 KJV


21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.





It began with Adam.



Genesis 2:24 KJV


24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.




How about Lamech?

You will say.......

What?

You mean a descendant of Cain was moved by the Holy Spirit?

Let's see.......




24 If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.

None of that is an accurate, a proper understanding, by believing the Holy Spirit fell upon anyone. Not even Abraham or Moses had the Holy Spirit fall upon them . .for any reason.
 

1Mind1Spirit

Literal lunatic
None of that is an accurate, a proper understanding, by believing the Holy Spirit fell upon anyone. Not even Abraham or Moses had the Holy Spirit fall upon them . .for any reason.

The Holy Spirit never has fell ever.

Was Abraham Holy?

Did he speak?

Was Moses Holy?

Did he speak?
 
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