The Berean
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I wanted to discuss with noguru the topic of Biblical Christianity and evolution. I hope that noguru and myself can flesh out ideas about whether a person can hold a belief in Biblical Christianity and naturalistic evolution (meaning the origin of life). This thread is NOT a debate about naturalistic evolution, vs YEC or OEC, or theistic evolution per se. This thread is about the precepts or beginning assumptions or "first laws" of Biblical Christianty and naturalistic evolution. This thread was motivated by the following post
Apparently, noguru accuses me of having my "head in the sand" for not accepting what he believes to be true. As a Christian I am absolutely concerned with accuracy and truth, especially God's truth. I believe that there is a Creator God and that he created the entire universe from nothing (ex-nihilo). I believe that the the form, structure and function of the universe was initially created by God and that universe functions in a predictive manner that god himslef has set. All natural laws (law of gravity, photosynthesis, Kreb's cycle. laws of thermodymanics, etc.) were created by God so that the universe would function in an orderly manner and that man would see the power and greatness of God through this order. Paul speaks of this in Romans:
That is the first line of the Bible. God created everything.
I believe that God gave us the Bible because he wants us to know Him and understand His plan for all of us. This is a key point. If we are to know God we MUST read His Word. Not only does God's Word teach us about who He is but it also gives us perfect wisdom for our daily living. The Bible is historically and scientific accurate when it does touch on these subjects.
So, I like to ask noguru some preliminary questions:
1. Do you believe that the Bible is inerrant in all it's aspects?
2. Do you believe that if the Bible is inerrant that the truths in it would supercede any man-made truth?
3. Have you let go of any personal belief becuase it was contrary to the Word of God? (Here's a personal example. I gave up my atheism becuase it ran contrary to the Word of God).
noguru, I look forward to your first response. :thumb:
God Bless,
The Berean
noguru said:Because I am a Christian I am committed to the truth. The truth is that the evidence does not support a young earth, multiple origins, global deluge model better than the long age naturalistic model. I do not defend it. I try to point out where misrepresentations and/or misunderstandings of the evidence lead to innacurate conclusions. You call yourself a Christian but you do not seem to be concerned with accuracy and truth in the material sciences. And that is fine, if the implications contradict what you have already chosen to beieve about the subject. But at least be honest and admit the reason you have chosen your beliefs. You are more concerned with your eternal salvation than you are with accuracy and truth in the material sciences.
Apparently, noguru accuses me of having my "head in the sand" for not accepting what he believes to be true. As a Christian I am absolutely concerned with accuracy and truth, especially God's truth. I believe that there is a Creator God and that he created the entire universe from nothing (ex-nihilo). I believe that the the form, structure and function of the universe was initially created by God and that universe functions in a predictive manner that god himslef has set. All natural laws (law of gravity, photosynthesis, Kreb's cycle. laws of thermodymanics, etc.) were created by God so that the universe would function in an orderly manner and that man would see the power and greatness of God through this order. Paul speaks of this in Romans:
I believe that since God cannot be "seen" in the phyiscal realm (usually not), God took it upon himself to reveal Himself by interjecting himslef into human affairs and by revealing his truth to mankind and that mankind wrote down these truths. I believe that the Bible is the revealed Word given by God to man. God's Word is superior to any man-made document simply because God is the author of it. It is inerrant in all that it talks about. When it touches on history and science, it is completey true and accurate though it may not be as detailed in it's descriptions. Many people argue that the Bible is not a science book ans we should not look for our answers in it when it comes to origins. And they are right, it's not a science book. And I'm glad it's not a science book because most science books have a very short life span. Most science books become obsolete in a very short time. I believe that naturalistic evolution (macro-evolution or "molecules to man") runs contrary to the Word of God because it posits an idea that the process itself is random and that no intellegence was required.For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. Romans 1:20
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Genesis 1:1
That is the first line of the Bible. God created everything.
I believe that God gave us the Bible because he wants us to know Him and understand His plan for all of us. This is a key point. If we are to know God we MUST read His Word. Not only does God's Word teach us about who He is but it also gives us perfect wisdom for our daily living. The Bible is historically and scientific accurate when it does touch on these subjects.
So, I like to ask noguru some preliminary questions:
1. Do you believe that the Bible is inerrant in all it's aspects?
2. Do you believe that if the Bible is inerrant that the truths in it would supercede any man-made truth?
3. Have you let go of any personal belief becuase it was contrary to the Word of God? (Here's a personal example. I gave up my atheism becuase it ran contrary to the Word of God).
noguru, I look forward to your first response. :thumb:
God Bless,
The Berean
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