Religion didn't succeed, evidence is all the arguments in its favor. Science hasn't used it's progress for the betterment of human kind, they suppress and deny and still justify there voice and jobs. Both fail at progression of humanity. And that is where the argument should be. Why are the two most influential institutions of power not done a better job at making use more well off in all areas. The only explanation I can gather is that it is like the definition of politics. Kick around problems as long as possible without solving them. This is a successful technique but it isn't right. The conversation is wrong and pretentious. Why haven't each done more, why don't they do more. And why is the public's dialogue on anything but answering these questions. If gods real then great, why isn't his church doing more. If science is all knowing, why isn't it doing all it can. Two fools arguments make no more difference than silence. So I ask why prove either one, we all suffer regardless. Why is that?