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God made provision under the law for divorce. This was put in place because of the sinfulness of mankind.

Jesus explained why God allowed divorce.

19:8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. Matthew 19:8

Christ went on to say that whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery and causes his wife to also commit adultery, unless, the wife has already commited adultery thru fornication.

19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. Matthew 19:9

The provision for divorce in Deuteronomy 24 permitted divorce if a woman commited uncleanness, which included adultery and fornication. Verse 2 even allows a wife who is divorced to remarry. In Luke 16:18 the new husband who would marry the wife that was divorced would be commiting adultery.

24:1 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favor in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.

24:2 And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife.

24:3 And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife;

24:4 Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance. Deuteronomy 24:1-4

Christ was not applying Deuteronomy 24 in allowing divorce because the wife commited fornication in Matthew 19. Rather than sanctioning divorce, He was detailing the consequences of divorce. Divorce compounds and generates adultery.

Both Deuteronomy 24:4 and Jeremiah 3:1 prohibit taking a wife back again after divorcing her.

3:1 They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man's, shall he return unto her again? shall not that land be greatly polluted? but thou hast played the harlot with many lovers; yet return again to me, saith the LORD. Jeremiah 3:1

God gave Israel a bill of divorce because of her unfaithfulness. I see the main emphasis in Jeremiah 3:1 as not being the fact that he divorced Israel, but rather that thru grace and mercy He took her back, which was prohibited.

3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also. Jeremiah 3:8

It should be noted that in Jeremiah 3:14 God says he is married to the backsliding children. He will fulfill his promises and covenant to Israel.

3:14 Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion: Jeremiah 3:14

It must be noted that all of this is under the law.

7:1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? Romans 7:1

The Body of Christ, the church, is not under the law but under grace. Love fulfills the law. Love does not commit adultery. Love does not initiate divorce. Love bears all things. Love causes no harm. Love extends to people who fail, who divorce. Love encourages faithfulness in a new marriage of divorced people.

We love because He loved us.

If you don't know this love, believe the gospel:

This is the gospel by which we are saved.

15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
1 Corinthians 15

We are all sinners who can not save ourselves.

Christ died for our sins; He was our substitute, He paid the full penalty and debt for our sin by his blood sacrifice.

He was buried.

He rose again for our justification and forgiveness of all our sin. He gives us His righteousness and eternal life.

All we have to do is believe the gospel.
 
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DougE said:
God made provision under the law for divorce. This was put in place because of the sinfulness of mankind.

Jesus explained why God allowed divorce.

19:8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. Matthew 19:8

Christ went on to say that whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery and causes his wife to also commit adultery, unless, the wife has already commited adultery thru fornication.

19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. Matthew 19:9

The provision for divorce in Deuteronomy 24 permitted divorce if a woman commited uncleanness, which included adultery and fornication.
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Could you give the scripture for that? My understanding is that if a woman committed adultery she should be put to death.

DougE said:
Verse 2 even allows a wife who is divorced to remarry. In Luke 16:18 the new husband who would marry the wife that was divorced would be commiting adultery.

24:1 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favor in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.

24:2 And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife.

24:3 And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife;

24:4 Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance. Deuteronomy 24:1-4

Christ was not applying Deuteronomy 24 in allowing divorce because the wife commited fornication in Matthew 19. Rather than sanctioning divorce, He was detailing the consequences of divorce. Divorce compounds and generates adultery.

Both Deuteronomy 24:4 and Jeremiah 3:1 prohibit taking a wife back again after divorcing her.
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Only if she was with another man she was not to be taken back.
Divorce and remarriage is okay as long as the wife did not commit adultery during the separation, or divorce.

DougE said:
3:1 They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man's, shall he return unto her again? shall not that land be greatly polluted? but thou hast played the harlot with many lovers; yet return again to me, saith the LORD. Jeremiah 3:1

God gave Israel a bill of divorce because of her unfaithfulness. I see the main emphasis in Jeremiah 3:1 as not being the fact that he divorced Israel, but rather that thru grace and mercy He took her back, which was prohibited.

3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also. Jeremiah 3:8

It should be noted that in Jeremiah 3:14 God says he is married to the backsliding children. He will fulfill his promises and covenant to Israel.

3:14 Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion: Jeremiah 3:14

It must be noted that all of this is under the law.

7:1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? Romans 7:1

The Body of Christ, the church, is not under the law but under grace. Love fulfills the law. Love does not commit adultery. Love does not initiate divorce. Love bears all things. Love causes no harm. Love extends to people who fail, who divorce. Love encourages faithfulness in a new marriage of divorced people.
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Many people divorced and remarried before knowing the truth.

DougE said:
We love because He loved us.

If you don't know this love, believe the gospel:

This is the gospel by which we are saved.

15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
1 Corinthians 15

We are all sinners who can not save ourselves.

Christ died for our sins; He was our substitute, He paid the full penalty and debt for our sin by his blood sacrifice.

He was buried.

He rose again for our justification and forgiveness of all our sin. He gives us His righteousness and eternal life.

All we have to do is believe the gospel.
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God does desire mercy.

God says to people of Israel why will you die. God tells Israel to repent but most do not and they perish.

God saves the ones who do repent.

Ezekiel 18:31 Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, people of Israel?

There is a hard teaching about marriage, divorce and adultery.

Those who do know better, for the sake of the kingdom of heaven they obey it.

Matthew 19:10 The disciples said to him, "If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry."

Matthew 19:11 But He said to them, "Not all men can accept this statement, but only those to whom it has been given. 12"For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother's womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are also eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to accept this, let him accept it."

That is about just living your life without sex if your marriage partner leaves you.
 
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In response to your request and statement. I really appreciated your response and you made me dig into scripture to formulate a more concrete substantiation of my understanding. You picked out a heavy topic of debate you know! There is vast differences of interpretation regarding what uncleanness is in Deuteronomy 24:4. You are correct in saying the woman commiting adultery should under Mosiac law be stoned; why wasn't she ? I will do my best to answer.

Your response:
The provision for divorce in Deuteronomy 24 permitted divorce if a woman commited uncleanness, which included adultery and fornication.
Could you give the scripture for that? My understanding is that if a woman committed adultery she should be put to death.

First of all there is not much to help figuring out what uncleanness is. The best I can tell you is that in Numbers 5 we find a connection between uncleanness and adultery.

And the priest shall charge her by an oath, and say unto the woman, If no man have lain with thee, and if thou hast not gone aside to uncleanness with another instead of thy husband, be thou free from this bitter water that causeth the curse: Numbers 5:19

In the above passage uncleanness is associated with nakedness, especially of sexual connotation. See Leviticus 18:8 for the use of nakedness in regard to sexual relations.

Now onto death as punishment for adultery.

And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. Leviticus 20:10

The punishment was death as you said. I must say I never thought about this. Again, not much to go on as to why divorce was an option. The only possible reason might be found in the following passage;
One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established. Deuteronomy 19:15

Maybe divorce was an option if there were no witnesses to substantiate the adultery. Maybe it was a demonstration of God's mercy. I must admit I don't know.

Anyone have some insight here?

And last you said;
Both Deuteronomy 24:4 and Jeremiah 3:1 prohibit taking a wife back again after divorcing her.
Only if she was with another man she was not to be taken back.

Yes, absolutely right. I did not specify that, but assumed it self evident based on Deuteronomy 24:3

Thank you so much for your thoughtful response!
 
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DougE said:
In response to your request and statement. I really appreciated your response and you made me dig into scripture to formulate a more concrete substantiation of my understanding. You picked out a heavy topic of debate you know! There is vast differences of interpretation regarding what uncleanness is in Deuteronomy 24:4. You are correct in saying the woman commiting adultery should under Mosiac law be stoned; why wasn't she ? I will do my best to answer.

Your response:
The provision for divorce in Deuteronomy 24 permitted divorce if a woman commited uncleanness, which included adultery and fornication.
Could you give the scripture for that? My understanding is that if a woman committed adultery she should be put to death.

First of all there is not much to help figuring out what uncleanness is. The best I can tell you is that in Numbers 5 we find a connection between uncleanness and adultery.

And the priest shall charge her by an oath, and say unto the woman, If no man have lain with thee, and if thou hast not gone aside to uncleanness with another instead of thy husband, be thou free from this bitter water that causeth the curse: Numbers 5:19

In the above passage uncleanness is associated with nakedness, especially of sexual connotation. See Leviticus 18:8 for the use of nakedness in regard to sexual relations.

Now onto death as punishment for adultery.

And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. Leviticus 20:10

The punishment was death as you said. I must say I never thought about this. Again, not much to go on as to why divorce was an option. The only possible reason might be found in the following passage;
One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established. Deuteronomy 19:15

Maybe divorce was an option if there were no witnesses to substantiate the adultery. Maybe it was a demonstration of God's mercy. I must admit I don't know.

Anyone have some insight here?

And last you said;
Both Deuteronomy 24:4 and Jeremiah 3:1 prohibit taking a wife back again after divorcing her.
Only if she was with another man she was not to be taken back.

Yes, absolutely right. I did not specify that, but assumed it self evident based on Deuteronomy 24:3

Thank you so much for your thoughtful response!
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Thank you so much, too. This is a hard topic. You got me thinking more about the Old Testament and old law concerning this. The old law does say a man shall not take back a wife if she belonged to another man; however, we see that God divorced Israel and would take her back if she repented--but God also calls Israel His children in that very same passage...so, can we really use God taking Israel back if she repents as assurance a man can take a wife back that he has divorced? I am not convinced.

You make a strong case for uncleanliness of the wife being adultery and a reason for divorce. It is notable though that most translations say indecency. What you said about not having witnesses could be a reason for the divorce for adultery, but then the bitter water drink kind of throws that argument out of the reasoning. Do note that clean and unclean has a lot to do with the ceremonial/purification laws. In addition, note that the scripture says 'some uncleanness'. What is the 'some' uncleanness? That 'some' part makes it sound like it was not adultery, unless it was the attempt at adultery such as flirting with another man? Since the scripture says 'some' uncleanness, I am not convinced that it is adultery. Sounds like it couldn't be as serious as that.

As a side thought, David committed adultery and murder, and yet he was not put to death for it. He was a prophet of God's and asked God for forgiveness directly. Just think of the change Jesus brought, we all can ask for forgiveness directly.

You have made it easy to discuss this with you. I'd like to know what else you think about it.
 
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I have seen some very disturbing replies from some who call themselves Christians. And their real title is hypocrite. They marry for lust and coveting . They get a divorce because their not able to love their mate. Now the purpose of the commandments is to learn love(suffering wrongfully but doing it willingly).

1 Tim 1:5-6
5 Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure heart, from a good conscience, and from sincere faith,
6 from which some, having strayed, have turned aside to idle talk,
(NKJ)

xxx Jesus let us crucify Him on a cross. So that we might be free from sin. And He set the example of how we can do it. Suffering wrongfully but doing it willingly. He didnt stand up for His rights. And He did have the right to destroy all of us.

Matt 26:53
53 "Or do you think that I cannot now pray to My Father, and He will provide Me with more than twelve legions of angels?
(NKJ)

xxx I see the people on this thread that keep calling the knowledge of man truth. There is no truth in mans wisdom for a Christian.

John 17:17-19
17 "Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.
18 "As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world.
19 "And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also may be sanctified by the truth.
(NKJ)

xxx You try to justfiy divorce. Because you suffered alittle. You didnt even try to do it willingly or pray to God for strength to endure. You just started complaining. You go by some fictitious idea that if you remarry you will not be sinning. And getting remarried is adultery--sin.

Matt 5:27-32
27 "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not commit adultery.'
28 "But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
29 "If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.
30 "And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.
31 "Furthermore it has been said, 'Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.'
32 "But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.
(NKJ)

xxx There are to many intellectual idiots with their own opinion. A real Christian should not be listening to anyones own opinion.

Rom 12:16
16 Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.
(NKJ)

xxx Everything a Christian needs is in the Word of God. To guide them, instruct them, to comfort them.

1 Tim 4:6-7
6 If you instruct the brethren in these things, you will be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished in the words of faith and of the good doctrine which you have carefully followed.
7 But reject profane and old wives' fables, and exercise yourself toward godliness.
2 Tim 3:16-17
16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
(NKJ)

xxx I dont care about these non believers. But those who really desire to be a Christian you should quit listening to the lost. Their going straight to hell anyway. And everyone that listens to them.

xxx If you havent learned how to suffer wrongfully yet. You havent learned love. And the purpose of the commandments is love. Your going to suffer whether your a believer or a non believer. Doesnt it seem right to get a reward for doing it for the right reason.

1 Pet 5:10-11
10 But may the God of all grace, who called us to His eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after you have suffered a while, perfect, establish, strengthen, and settle you.
11 To Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.
(NKJ)

There is only one acceptable reason for a divorce. Sexual immorality(fornication)

Matt 5:32
32 "But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.
(NKJ)

xxx God hates divorce. Even in the old testament

Mal 2:11-17
11 Judah has dealt treacherously, and an abomination has been committed in Israel and in Jerusalem, for Judah has profaned the LORD'S holy institution which He loves: he has married the daughter of a foreign god.
12 May the LORD cut off from the tents of Jacob the man who does this, being awake and aware, yet who brings an offering to the LORD of hosts!
13 And this is the second thing you do: you cover the altar of the LORD with tears, with weeping and crying; so He does not regard the offering anymore, nor receive it with goodwill from your hands.
14 Yet you say, "For what reason?" Because the LORD has been witness between you and the wife of your youth, with whom you have dealt treacherously; yet she is your companion and your wife by covenant.
15 But did He not make them one, having a remnant of the Spirit? And why one? He seeks godly offspring. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously with the wife of his youth.
16 "For the LORD God of Israel says that He hates divorce, for it covers one's garment with violence," says the LORD of hosts. "Therefore take heed to your spirit, that you do not deal treacherously."
17 You have wearied the LORD with your words; yet you say, "In what way have we wearied Him?" In that you say, "Everyone who does evil is good in the sight of the LORD, and He delights in them," or, "Where is the God of justice?"
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xxx But if a woman does want a divorce let her have it. And if she remarries( has sex) she has sinned but you are then free to remarry.

1 Cor 7:10-11
10 Now to the married I command, yet not I but the Lord: A wife is not to depart from her husband.
11 But even if she does depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. And a husband is not to divorce his wife.
Matt 19:3-10
3 The Pharisees also came to Him, testing Him, and saying to Him, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for just any reason?"
4 And He answered and said to them, "Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning 'made them male and female,'
5 "and said, 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh'?
6 "So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate."
7 They said to Him, "Why then did Moses command to give a certificate of divorce, and to put her away?"
8 He said to them, "Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.
9 "And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery."
10 His disciples said to Him, "If such is the case of the man with his wife, it is better not to marry."
Mark 10:1-9
1 Then He arose from there and came to the region of Judea by the other side of the Jordan. And multitudes gathered to Him again, and as He was accustomed, He taught them again.
2 The Pharisees came and asked Him, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife?" testing Him.
3 And He answered and said to them, "What did Moses command you?"
4 They said, "Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce, and to dismiss her."
5 And Jesus answered and said to them, "Because of the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept.
6 "But from the beginning of the creation, God 'made them male and female.'
7 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife,
8 'and the two shall become one flesh'; so then they are no longer two, but one flesh.
9 "Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate."
1 Cor 7:10-11
10 Now to the married I command, yet not I but the Lord: A wife is not to depart from her husband.
11 But even if she does depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. And a husband is not to divorce his wife.
(NKJ)

If you have been divorced by your mate. Not your idea. And they go and marry another you are free to remarry. You didnt bring the marriage to an end. And if they marry someone else, your marriage is dead. And you are free to remarry.

xxx Even the old testament.
 
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Thanks for posting a very thought out reply.
If you look at Numbers 5:13 the bitter water test does involve a husband who is jealous (v 14) and no witnesses
The word uncleanness in Deuteronomy 24:1 may not be translated the same in other versions...I only rely on the King James, but that's a big can of worms! Anyway, there is a lot of debate and opinions on this word and to be frank I am not dogmatic at all about my view. Your right uncleanness has connection to Mosaic purification and even hygiene of sorts.
Yes, right again, David received mercy! Thanks be to God we have a loving, merciful Father.
I too think we can take a spouse back, I would.....we forgive because we have been forgiven by Christ. Plus
1 Corinthians 7:11 urges reconciliation.
Good talking with you
 
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Hello
Thanks for such insightful statements.
I agree that lots of Christians don't suffer wrong, refuse to put spouse ahead of themselves, and don't realize that love is sacrificial and for the good of another, BUT....being a Christian doesn't hinge on performance, we all fail and need exhortation from the Bible to get back on track. Its not our performance, its Christ....believing that he died for our sins, was buried, and rose again imputes His righteousness to us. We can lose rewards but not eternal life or position in Christ.
You are absolutely right there, we should be of the same mind !
Thanks again!
 
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DougE said:
Thanks for posting a very thought out reply.
If you look at Numbers 5:13 the bitter water test does involve a husband who is jealous (v 14) and no witnesses
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Right, it is why I said getting divorced for suspicion of adultery is not a case for the word 'uncleanness', since one could have his wife drink bitter water.
DougE said:
The word uncleanness in Deuteronomy 24:1 may not be translated the same in other versions...I only rely on the King James, but that's a big can of worms!
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Whenever I study the Old Testament I always use KJB. I do believe that there are more enlightened words though for the New Testament in different translations.
DougE said:
Anyway, there is a lot of debate and opinions on this word and to be frank I am not dogmatic at all about my view. Your right uncleanness has connection to Mosaic purification and even hygiene of sorts.
Yes, right again, David received mercy! Thanks be to God we have a loving, merciful Father.
I too think we can take a spouse back, I would.....we forgive because we have been forgiven by Christ. Plus
1 Corinthians 7:11 urges reconciliation.
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Great scripture for remarriage to one you have been married to before.
As for taking a wife back after being with another man, it could be spoken against for a reason. I think it would be harder for a man than for a woman.
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Good talking with you
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Same here, thanks.
 
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Hey God's truth

Thanks again

I see now what you were saying about the bitter water .....very insightful....great point

Just a note; but do some comparisons on the KJV and other translations and there are some major omissions and differences in the new testament passages of the Bible that can affect doctrine

Here is just one example

John 6:47 in KJV
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

look at just one other translation, the NIV

Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life.

believes what?
 
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DougE said:
Hey God's truth

Thanks again

I see now what you were saying about the bitter water .....very insightful....great point

Just a note; but do some comparisons on the KJV and other translations and there are some major omissions and differences in the new testament passages of the Bible that can affect doctrine

Here is just one example

John 6:47 in KJV
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

look at just one other translation, the NIV

Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life.

believes what?
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To believe everything He says is truth and He was sent by His Father, the God.
 
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DougE said:
Hey God's truth

Thanks again

I see now what you were saying about the bitter water .....very insightful....great point

Just a note; but do some comparisons on the KJV and other translations and there are some major omissions and differences in the new testament passages of the Bible that can affect doctrine

Here is just one example

John 6:47 in KJV
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

look at just one other translation, the NIV

Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life.

believes what?
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I have done comparisons for many years.

So you would read that scripture from another translation and you wouldn't know we are to believe in Jesus?
 
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That's good you have been making comparisons, then you and I can agree that there is enough of Gods word in any version to save
 
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I came across something
Read Proverbs 6:32-35 the adulteress could be ransomed and saved from death
Numbers 35:31 did not allow a ransom for premeditated murder
 
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