When you add the Law to the Gospel you create lawlessness and sin is lawlessness.
What about the Jews who lived under the law of Moses but at the same time were saved on the principle of grace?
Hi n Jerry and give a verse for me to see ?
What does Acts 15:11 mean ?
The apostle Paul tells us twice that the Law has been "abolished". Those who serve the Law are walking according to the flesh. Those who add the Law to grace are preaching "another gospel" and are to be "accursed" (eternally damned).What about the Jews who lived under the law of Moses but at the same time were saved on the principle of grace?
The apostle Paul tells us twice that the Law has been "abolished". Those who serve the Law are walking according to the flesh. Those who add the Law to grace are preaching "another gospel" and are to be "accursed" (eternally damned).
Either the apostle Paul, and the Lord Jesus Christ are liars, or you are. I'm going to say it's you.The Mosaic covenant, the law, had not been abolished when Peter was saved on the principle of grace.
Paul is saying that all those who believe the Gospel, either Jews, (who were of the Law) or Gentiles (who did not have the Law) that the promise is for all. No place in Paul's words does he suggest that those Jews who have believed Paul's gospel are still under the Law."Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all" (Ro.4:16).
Paul is saying that all those who believe the Gospel, either Jews, (who were of the Law) or Gentiles (who did not have the Law) that the promise is for all.
The apostle Paul tells us twice that the Law has been "abolished". Those who serve the Law are walking according to the flesh. Those who add the Law to grace are preaching "another gospel" and are to be "accursed" (eternally damned).
The Mosaic covenant, the law, had not been abolished when Peter was saved on the principle of grace.
That is all I was saying, that those who had faith and lived under the law were saved on the principle of grace:
"Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all" (Ro.4:16).
No one was saved by grace before Jesus.
Peter was saved by grace by Jesus, before Paul.
All are damned until they come to Jesus in obedience to his teachings, and he teaches more than just believe.
:crackup:All are damned until they come to Jesus in obedience to his teachings, and he teaches more than just believe.
Consider more carefully the scripture you quote in Romans 4."What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt" (Ro.4:1-4).
That's what I said.
I guess the Savior just forgot to mention the other things which you say are necessary for salvation
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life" (Jn.6:47).
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People misunderstand Paul when he says ‘not of works’, for Paul is speaking of the purification/ceremonial works.
That is not true.
You think this disproves what I said how?In the following passage Paul speaks of God judging men according to their "works":
"But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his works: To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath" (Ro.2:8).
The "works" spoken of here are in regard to either continuing in well doing or not continuing in well doing, and a person stops continuing in well doing when they sin. Since all people are sinners no one gains eternal life by their works. The same can be said for anyone trying to gain eternal life by law keeping:
"For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident" (Gal.3:10-11).
Since no one continues in well doing because all sin then all people are dependent on God's grace if they are going to be saved. And "to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt."
Works and grace are mutually exclusive.
It is those who believe the gospel of grace who are saved:
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth" (Ro.1:16).
According to your ideas no one is saved by believing the gospel because salvation does not come to anyone until the end of a life of obedience. You don't understand the gospel of grace, much less believe it.