Marriage and Geology in North Korea and the World

[Jefferson]

Marriage and Geology in North Korea and the World

This is the show from Monday, September 18th, 2017

SUMMARY:

Bob Enyart reports on Bloomberg's article, Why You're Being Invited to Fewer Weddings, and the role of frustration in the collapse of the biblical worldview among many Christian activist leaders. Marriage is NOT the function of the church. It preceded the church, preceded Israel, and like family and government, was instituted by God for all of mankind. See also www.kgov.com/marriage. In addition to talking about BEL's vital annual telethon, Bob also reported on the earthquakes from nuclear tests and even from fracking, as just more evidence (along with the 800,000 people killed, tragically, by earthquakes since BEL's Age of the Earth Debate with a geophysicist) that the Earth has not settled over 4.5 billion years but is still unstable. See also www.kgov.com/earthquakes. And please consider giving to our annual telethon at 1-800-8Enyart or online at www.kgov.com. So far we're up to $7,600 of our $30,000 goal.

 

[Nihilo]

. . . Marriage is NOT the function of the church. It preceded the church . . .

So what? Things changed at the RESURRECTION. Everything changed. The Body of Christ has become its own reference point, everything prior to and leading up to the Church are interpreted in the light of the Church, and everything since has been in the Church age. But the Church is a thing, only because THE LORD JESUS CHRIST IS RISEN (Mt28:6KJV Mk16:6KJV Lk24:6KJV).

 

[JudgeRightly]

So what? Things changed at the RESURRECTION. Everything changed. The Body of Christ has become its own reference point, everything prior to and leading up to the Church are interpreted in the light of the Church, and everything since has been in the Church age. But the Church is a thing, only because THE LORD JESUS CHRIST IS RISEN (Mt28:6KJV Mk16:6KJV Lk24:6KJV).

So that changes the fact that God instituted marriage at the beginning of creation, before any government?

 

[Nihilo]

So that changes the fact that God instituted marriage at the beginning of creation, before any government?

It's become irrelevant. The Church defines marriage for Christians, whatever preceded the Church had the coming Church in view, and whatever has happened since Pentecost in AD 33 has been the Church age.

 

[JudgeRightly]

It's become irrelevant. The Church defines marriage for Christians, whatever preceded the Church had the coming Church in view, and whatever has happened since Pentecost in AD 33 has been the Church age.

So now you're placing the Church's authority above God's?

Tell me, Nihilo, how can the Church rightfully say, "God, we know that in the beginning You instituted marriage between one man and one woman, but now since Your resurrection, we're taking over now, and redefining it for our own purposes"?

They don't have that authority. That authority belongs to God and God alone.

 

[Nihilo]

So now you're placing the Church's authority above God's?

Tell me, Nihilo, how can the Church rightfully say, "God, we know that in the beginning You instituted marriage between one man and one woman, but now since Your resurrection, we're taking over now, and redefining it for our own purposes"?

They don't have that authority. That authority belongs to God and God alone.

The Church's authority on moral matters is God's authority. You're misunderstanding the importance of the Body of Christ.

1st Timothy 3:15 (KJV)

 

[JudgeRightly]

The Church's authority on moral matters is God's authority. You're misunderstanding the importance of the Body of Christ.

And now you're equating the Church with God.

Shame on you.

God says marriage is between one man and one woman. The Church has absolutely NO authority to change that, because the Church is not God, never will be God, never was God, and does not have the authority of God to say what is morally right and morally wrong. It is morally wrong for a man to be with a man, and for a woman to be with a woman. Anything outside of marriage between one man and one woman is morally wrong, and not just wrong, but an abomination to God.

 

[JudgeRightly]

1st Timothy 3:15 (KJV)

And what does the pillar of the church sit on, Nihilo? It sits on the foundation of God's authority.

 

[Nihilo]

And now you're equating the Church with God.

Shame on you.

God says marriage is between one man and one woman. The Church has absolutely NO authority to change that, because the Church is not God, never will be God, never was God, and does not have the authority of God to say what is morally right and morally wrong. It is morally wrong for a man to be with a man, and for a woman to be with a woman. Anything outside of marriage between one man and one woman is morally wrong, and not just wrong, but an abomination to God.

You're misunderstanding the Body of Christ, her mystical union with the Lord Jesus (Eph5:32KJV), her teaching authority in matters of faith and morals (1Ti3:15KJV), and probably, in light of all this, the importance of the RESURRECTION in history.

 

[Nihilo]

And what does the pillar of the church sit on, Nihilo? It sits on the foundation of God's authority.

You're mired in a false dilemma. The Church's teaching authority in matters of faith and morals is (=) God's own teaching authority in matters of faith and morals.

 

[JudgeRightly]

You're misunderstanding the Body of Christ, her mystical union with the Lord Jesus (Eph5:32KJV), her teaching authority in matters of faith and morals (1Ti3:15KJV), and probably, in light of all this, the importance of the RESURRECTION in history.

Teaching morals is fine, Nihilo, but you're saying the church has the authority to CHANGE what God says. Here's a hint: THEY DON'T.

The Church doesn't get to decide what to change in the curriculum, the church only gets to teach it.

If God says "Marriage is between one man and one woman," that settles the matter. No negotiation allowed from ANYONE. If God recognizes and upholds marriages that were made through an evil government, and especially without the church's involvement, why do you think that the church has the authority to revoke that marriage? or say it is not valid?

Here's a hint: THE CHURCH DOES NOT HAVE THAT AUTHORITY.

 

[JudgeRightly]

You're mired in a false dilemma. The Church's teaching authority in matters of faith and morals is (=) God's own teaching authority in matters of faith and morals.

Again, just because the church has the authority to teach something that comes from God DOES NOT mean that they have the authority to change what God says.

 

[Nihilo]

Teaching morals is fine, Nihilo, but you're saying the church has the authority to CHANGE what God says. Here's a hint: THEY DON'T.

The Church doesn't get to decide what to change in the curriculum, the church only gets to teach it.

If God says "Marriage is between one man and one woman," that settles the matter. No negotiation allowed from ANYONE. If God recognizes and upholds marriages that were made through an evil government, and especially without the church's involvement, why do you think that the church has the authority to revoke that marriage? or say it is not valid?

Here's a hint: THE CHURCH DOES NOT HAVE THAT AUTHORITY.

The Church teaches today what she's always taught on the matter: One man and one woman.

Again, just because the church has the authority to teach something that comes from God DOES NOT mean that they have the authority to change what God says.

When has the Church done that? You're worrying about something that hasn't happened and won't happen.

 

[JudgeRightly]

The Church teaches today what she's always taught on the matter: One man and one woman.
When has the Church done that? You're worrying about something that hasn't happened and won't happen.

They do it every day by endorsing LGBT, welcoming them into the church, not telling those people that it's wrong, that God created them male and female. By telling mothers that it's ok to abort their baby because "it's not a person," or, "God knows what's in your heart."

And don't even get me started on the Pope.

 

[Nihilo]

They do it every day by endorsing LGBT, welcoming them into the church, not telling those people that it's wrong, that God created them male and female. By telling mothers that it's ok to abort their baby because "it's not a person," or, "God knows what's in your heart."

The Church is "we," not "they," for those of us who believe that THE LORD JESUS CHRIST IS RISEN (Mt28:6KJV Mk16:6KJV Lk24:6KJV).

And don't even get me started on the Pope.

You might want to "get started" on the Pope then, since he teaches that SSB is wrong, and that abortion is gravely evil, just as the Church has always taught and believed.

 

[Nihilo]

Teaching morals is fine, Nihilo, but you're saying the church has the authority to CHANGE what God says. Here's a hint: THEY DON'T.

The Church doesn't get to decide what to change in the curriculum, the church only gets to teach it.

I agree completely with this. I've personally called the Catechism the teachers edition, of the teaching of the Christian faith and of Christian morals.

If God says "Marriage is between one man and one woman," that settles the matter. No negotiation allowed from ANYONE. If God recognizes and upholds marriages that were made through an evil government, and especially without the church's involvement, why do you think that the church has the authority to revoke that marriage? or say it is not valid?

The Church doesn't have the legal authority to enforce contracts, that's part of the First Amendment. The courts are the ones who enforce contracts. The Church recommends contracts, but she can't enforce those contracts; that's the job of the courts.

The Christian marriage contract as implicitly recommended by the Church, is not the government's standard marriage contract, in many cases; this is why two dudes can "get married" now, because the government marriage contract isn't Christian, it's a secular contract. In order to make it Christian, you'd have to have a prenuptial, that included Christian things like penalties for adultery or infidelity, which the government secular contract doesn't have.

Here's a hint: THE CHURCH DOES NOT HAVE THAT AUTHORITY.

The Church has the authority to recommend a prenuptial for a Christian marriage contract, when Christians marry where standard, boilerplate, default, civil government marriage contracts are not also Christian, or are not trivial options (a check box).

The Church teaches today what she's always taught on the matter: One man and one woman.

She also teaches that infidelity and adultery is a trespass against a spouse, and a violation against the Christian marriage contract, so that would be part of the Christian marriage, that would have to be included in the Christians' prenuptial agreements, to convert the government's marriage contract, into a Christian marriage contract.