ECT Living Under the Law as Apposed to Living Under Grace

iamaberean

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Scripture for those under the Law!

Num 18:23 But the Levites shall do the service of the tabernacle of the congregation, and they shall bear their iniquity: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations, that among the children of Israel they have no inheritance.
Num 18:24 But the tithes of the children of Israel, which they offer as an heave offering unto the LORD, I have given to the Levites to inherit: therefore I have said unto them, Among the children of Israel they shall have no inheritance.

Jesus speaking of the Pharisees, not Christians, in the Gospel of Luke when they would say:.

Luk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

Heb 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

Heb 7:9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.
Heb 7:10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.
Heb 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Heb 7:13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
Heb 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.


Scripture for the Christian:

2Co 9:6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
2Co 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
2Co 9:8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:
2Co 9:9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever.)


1Ti 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
1Ti 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
1Ti 1:6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
1Ti 1:7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
1Ti 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
1Ti 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
1Ti 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
 

Jerry Shugart

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In the following passage Paul speaks of David, who lived under the law:

"But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin" (Ro.4:5-8).​

Those who lived under the law were saved by grace through faith:

"Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all" (Ro.4:16).​
 

iamaberean

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Gal 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
 

Jerry Shugart

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Gal 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

This is talking about law keeping as a means of attaining righteousness which comes to an end when a person believes (Ro.10:4).

You can't just quote one verse and then ignore the verses which I quoted.

If keeping the law was necessary for salvation in regard to those under the law then none living under the law would have been saved. That is because being guilty of breaking one law is the same of being guilty of all (Jas.2:10).
 

iamaberean

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This is talking about law keeping as a means of attaining righteousness which comes to an end when a person believes (Ro.10:4).

You can't just quote one verse and then ignore the verses which I quoted.

If keeping the law was necessary for salvation in regard to those under the law then none living under the law would have been saved. That is because being guilty of breaking one law is the same of being guilty of all (Jas.2:10).

Actually, Jerry, my post was about tithing not salvation.

Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
 

andyc

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If keeping the law was necessary for salvation in regard to those under the law then none living under the law would have been saved. That is because being guilty of breaking one law is the same of being guilty of all (Jas.2:10).

Hebrews 7:19 for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.

Ok, Mr Shugart, if the law made nothing perfect, but Jesus said "you shall be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect, how could they be perfect without the law?
 

meshak

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Hebrews 7:19 for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.

Ok, Mr Shugart, if the law made nothing perfect, but Jesus said "you shall be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect, how could they be perfect without the law?

good question:)
 

Tambora

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People still looking towards the law as the means to make them righteous, rather than see the law for what it was meant to do ------ make you realize just how much of sinner you really are and in desperate need of a Savior to save your sorry sinful self.
 

patrick jane

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People still looking towards the law as the means to make them righteous, rather than see the law for what it was meant to do ------ make you realize just how much of sinner you really are and in desperate need of a Savior to save your sorry sinful self.
Galatians 3:1-27 KJV - [FONT=&quot]O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?[/FONT][FONT=&quot]2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]13Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.[/FONT]
 
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